# 2 row malt substitute **URL:** \ **Category:** Beer Recipes\ **Created:** [December 18, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377 "2019-12-18T00:12:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/1 "2019-12-18T00:12:05Z")
Hi… i’m an italian homebrewer! In Italy I can’t find the 2row malt! What can you replace with? 90% pils / 5% carapils / 5% crystal 40L or golden promise or extra pale ale? Or another kind of malt? I would like to make an american blonde ale with mosaic and ekuanot thanks Daniele ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Is\_Money](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/silver_is_money/32/12216_2.png) [@Silver\_Is\_Money](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Silver_Is_Money)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/2 "2019-12-18T00:31:54Z")
> [@danicomix](#): > > Hi… i’m an italian homebrewer! > > In Italy I can’t find the 2row malt! > What can you replace with? > 90% pils / 5% carapils / 5% crystal 40L > or golden promise > or extra pale ale? > Or another kind of malt? > > I would like to make an american blonde ale with mosaic and ekuanot > > thanks > Daniele I would just replace it 1:1 with Pilsner malt.  2-Row Brewers malt is a rather dull tasting light colored barley base malt.  As to light colored base malt, I only keep Pilsner malt on hand, and when a recipe calls for 2-Row Brewers I use Pilsner.  Pilsner malt is generally also a 2-Row type, and it’s a good color match for 2-Row Brewers malt. ---
**Author:** ![Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Robertestein05_gmail.com)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/3 "2019-12-18T01:21:24Z")
An extra pale ale malt might also work.  American 2-row brewers malt is usually about 2L in color give or take a bit (about 4 EBC,) about the same as many Pilsner and pale ale malts.  The main difference is that the American malts are very high in protein and enzymes, as they are intended mainly for the big adjunct brewers.  Really, a light colored European malt will be better suited to all malt brewing! ---
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 7:47am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/4 "2019-12-18T07:47:20Z")
What do you think for grist if i use only pilsner and a 5% of Crystal 20/30L for a light flavour of caramel as bjcp says? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![alestateyall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/alestateyall/32/21186_2.png) [@alestateyall](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/alestateyall)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/5 "2019-12-18T09:11:10Z")
> [@danicomix](#): > > What do you think for grist if i use only pilsner and a 5% of Crystal 20/30L for a light flavour of caramel as bjcp says? > Thanks I think that will be better. Caramel 40 is a bit dark, in my opinion, for a Blonde Ale.  In Blonde Ales a I prefer a subtle caramel flavor. I actually use Caramel 10 a lot. ---
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/6 "2019-12-18T10:14:22Z")
What do you think of this combo grist for an american blond ale? 1. Simpson finest lager 95% + Simpson caramalt 5% 2. swaen pilsner 95% + goldswaen hell 5% 3. bestmalz pilsner 95% + bestmalz caramell hell 5% ---
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/7 "2019-12-18T11:53:29Z")
What do you think??? AMERICAN BLOND ALE Blonde Ale 4.7% / 12.4 °P Batch Volume: 23 L Boil Time: 60 min Original Gravity: 1.050 Final Gravity: 1.014 IBU (Tinseth): 25 Color: 7.5 EBC Mash Temperature — 52 °C — 10 min Temperature — 67 °C — 60 min Temperature — 78 °C — 10 min Malts (5.095 kg) 4.84 kg (95%) — Simpsons Lager Malt — Grain — 3 EBC 255 g (5%) — Simpsons Caramalt — Grain — 36 EBC Hops (104 g) 11 g (10 IBU) — Ekuanot 13.5% — Boil — 20 min 11 g (9 IBU) — Mosaic 12.4% — Boil — 20 min 18 g (3 IBU) — Ekuanot 13.5% — Aroma — 10 min hopstand @ 85 °C 18 g (3 IBU) — Mosaic 12.4% — Aroma — 10 min hopstand @ 85 °C 23 g — Ekuanot 13.5% — Dry Hop — 3 days 23 g — Mosaic 12.4% — Dry Hop — 3 days Hopstand at 85 °C Yeast 1 pkg — Wyeast Labs 1272 American Ale II ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Is\_Money](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/silver_is_money/32/12216_2.png) [@Silver\_Is\_Money](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Silver_Is_Money)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/8 "2019-12-18T12:46:35Z")
My understanding is that a Blonde Ale is supposed to be the most simple light colored ale that one can brew.  To me it appears that your hop schedule is way too busy to comply with such a desire for simplicity. For a combination of fruitiness and spiciness I might consider something more along the line of 12 grams of ~9 AA Amarillo boiled for 30 minutes and 28 grams of ~3 AA Saaz boiled for 15 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/9 "2019-12-18T17:03:37Z")
ok….thanks a lot! i like combo of ekuanot & Mosaic but I think I can change my recipe!! Some have some other suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![alestateyall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/alestateyall/32/21186_2.png) [@alestateyall](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/alestateyall)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/10 "2019-12-18T17:19:30Z")
There are “west coast” blondes that have more late hops like yours. This beer also approaches “extra pale ale” which is a name sometimes used in the US for a lighter American Pale Ale. I think your beer will be good with the hop dosage you suggest but it depends upon what you want. There are many blonde ales in the US that are much less hoppy. They can be a bit boring though. ---
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/11 "2019-12-19T06:06:40Z")
Ok! Thanks a lot!! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Is\_Money](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/silver_is_money/32/12216_2.png) [@Silver\_Is\_Money](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Silver_Is_Money)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/12 "2019-12-19T10:43:16Z")
> [@Silver\_Is\_Money](#): > > For a combination of fruitiness and spiciness I might consider something more along the line of 12 grams of ~9 AA Amarillo boiled for 30 minutes and 28 grams of ~3 AA Saaz boiled for 15 minutes. I should add that the addition quantities seen above are intended for T-90 type pellets.  For leaf or plug or whole cone increase them by 35%. ---
**Author:** ![danicomix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@danicomix](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/danicomix)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/2-row-malt-substitute/29377/13 "2019-12-19T11:25:57Z")
Ok!! I’ve suppose It!