# acidulated malt addition **URL:** \ **Category:** Brewing Processes\ **Created:** [March 9, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688 "2016-03-09T14:17:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TMULLEN96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@TMULLEN96](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/TMULLEN96)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/1 "2016-03-09T14:17:10Z")
Okay, so I have been all grain brewing for some years now and am looking to brew a kolsch but a lot of the recipes I see have a small percentage of acidulated malt in them. My question is do I actually need to use this in my recipe for style guidelines? I use pH 5.2 Stabilizer in my mash and my water profile has never given me an issue before. Just wanted some feed back before I head to my lhbs. ---
**Author:** ![jonhughey\_att.net](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jonhughey_att.net/32/6277_2.png) [@jonhughey\_att.net](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jonhughey_att.net)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/2 "2016-03-09T14:22:39Z")
Just me - I wouldn’t use 5.2 or acid malt. 5.2, in spite of what your LHBS might say, does not work and can give your beer a minerally off flavor. I use RO water and Brunwater software to control my pH pretty effectively. And acid malts might or might not be consistent from maltster to maltster (or batch to batch) in their acid content. I use lactic acid to drop pH, which can be accounted for in Brunwater. The software actually helps you predict and control your pH for a given grist. My $0.02  . Edit -  Here’s a link for Brunwater. It’s really great software : > **[Google Sites: Sign-in](https://accounts.google.com/v3/signin/identifier?continue=https%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Fsites%2Fsystem%2Ferrors%2FWebspaceNotFound%3Fpath%3D%2Fbrunwater%2F&followup=https%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Fsites%2Fsystem%2Ferrors%2FWebspaceNotFound%3Fpath%3D%2Fbrunwater%2F&ifkv=Ab5oB3oWP7S2BCQLcYq5I7Y5d4bvw45vObp6gLnLuwIeSTR_vBHs-tsCtTTWm8RwXgEw7my2qu-NAA&passive=1209600&service=jotspot&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=ServiceLogin&dsh=S185003808%3A1725904899957730&ddm=0)** > > Access Google Sites with a personal Google account or Google Workspace account (for business use). ---
**Author:** ![blatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@blatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/blatz)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/3 "2016-03-09T14:36:53Z")
yeah 5.2 is garbage. I used acid malt in my lighter german styles, lactic in lighter American styles.  I don’t know why I switch between the two - I’m just quirky like that. ---
**Author:** ![jonhughey\_att.net](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jonhughey_att.net/32/6277_2.png) [@jonhughey\_att.net](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jonhughey_att.net)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/4 "2016-03-09T14:39:29Z")
I know the Germans use acid malt, so I know it works. I’ve just always been more leery as compared to measuring out the lactic. Personal preference I guess. ---
**Author:** ![blatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@blatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/blatz)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/5 "2016-03-09T14:40:40Z")
> [@](#): > > I know the Germans use acid malt, so I know it works. I’ve just always been more leery as compared to measuring out the lactic. Personal preference I guess. ive never had a problem being within .03-.05 pH with AM - same as when I use weighed out lactic. ---
**Author:** ![jonhughey\_att.net](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jonhughey_att.net/32/6277_2.png) [@jonhughey\_att.net](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jonhughey_att.net)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/6 "2016-03-09T14:41:47Z")
> [@blatz](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I know the Germans use acid malt, so I know it works. I’ve just always been more leery as compared to measuring out the lactic. Personal preference I guess. > > ive never had a problem being within .03-.05 pH with AM - same as when I use weighed out lactic. Good info. ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/7 "2016-03-09T15:50:28Z")
+1 on 5.2 being useless. ---
**Author:** ![dilluh98](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/dilluh98/32/3437_2.png) [@dilluh98](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/dilluh98)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/8 "2016-03-09T16:12:57Z")
> [@denny](#): > > +1 on 5.2 being useless. It kind of boggles my mind that LHBSs still carry the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/9 "2016-03-09T16:21:31Z")
Does anybody at the AHA have a good relationship with the Five Star folks? Maybe they could get Five Star to chime in on 5.2? ---
**Author:** ![wort-h.o.g](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/wort-h.o.g/32/11975_2.png) [@wort-h.o.g](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/wort-h.o.g)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/10 "2016-03-09T16:30:12Z")
acid malt works and is just malt treated with lactic- i’ve used per weyermanns guidlines with RO water: "Weyermann® Acidulated Malt is perfect to adjust the pH level in mash or wort. There is a simple formula to calculate the dosage of Acidulated Malt: You have to use 1% of Acidulated malt to reduce the pH by 0.1. (Example: 3% Acidulated malt reduce the pH leve in mash by 0.3). The exact effect depends of course on the special conditions in the mash or wort (buffering capacity …) and on the composition of the brew water. Weyermann Acidulated Malt is produced by using lactic acid, which is generated by on grain natural occurring lactic bacteria. Therefore Acidulated Malt is also a wonderful possibility to produce beer styles with a typical “sourish” character like “Berliner Weisse”. To reach the “sourish” character 8% of Acidulated malt are a perfect rate. In my recipe there are also recommendations for Fermentis Yeast strains for an authentic aroma and flavour profile" ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/11 "2016-03-09T16:58:20Z")
> [@](#): > > acid malt works and is just malt treated with lactic- i’ve used per weyermanns guidlines with RO water: > > "Weyermann® Acidulated Malt is perfect to adjust the pH level in mash or wort. There is a simple formula to calculate the dosage of Acidulated Malt: You have to use 1% of Acidulated malt to reduce the pH by 0.1. (Example: 3% Acidulated malt reduce the pH leve in mash by 0.3). > > The exact effect depends of course on the special conditions in the mash or wort (buffering capacity …) and on the composition of the brew water. > > Weyermann Acidulated Malt is produced by using lactic acid, which is generated by on grain natural occurring lactic bacteria. Therefore Acidulated Malt is also a wonderful possibility to produce beer styles with a typical “sourish” character like “Berliner Weisse”. > > To reach the “sourish” character 8% of Acidulated malt are a perfect rate. In my recipe there are also recommendations for Fermentis Yeast strains for an authentic aroma and flavour profile" What’s hard for me to understand is why you’d use it instead of just using lactic acid.  Same result, right? ---
**Author:** ![wort-h.o.g](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/wort-h.o.g/32/11975_2.png) [@wort-h.o.g](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/wort-h.o.g)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/12 "2016-03-09T16:59:21Z")
> [@denny](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > acid malt works and is just malt treated with lactic- i’ve used per weyermanns guidlines with RO water: > > > > "Weyermann® Acidulated Malt is perfect to adjust the pH level in mash or wort. There is a simple formula to calculate the dosage of Acidulated Malt: You have to use 1% of Acidulated malt to reduce the pH by 0.1. (Example: 3% Acidulated malt reduce the pH leve in mash by 0.3). > > > > The exact effect depends of course on the special conditions in the mash or wort (buffering capacity …) and on the composition of the brew water. > > > > Weyermann Acidulated Malt is produced by using lactic acid, which is generated by on grain natural occurring lactic bacteria. Therefore Acidulated Malt is also a wonderful possibility to produce beer styles with a typical “sourish” character like “Berliner Weisse”. > > > > To reach the “sourish” character 8% of Acidulated malt are a perfect rate. In my recipe there are also recommendations for Fermentis Yeast strains for an authentic aroma and flavour profile" > > What’s hard for me to understand is why you’d use it instead of just using lactic acid.  Same result, right? just another option I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/13 "2016-03-09T17:21:15Z")
> [@](#): > > just another option I suppose. Sure, that makes sense.  It’s just that the pragmatist in me wondered why. ---
**Author:** ![wort-h.o.g](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/wort-h.o.g/32/11975_2.png) [@wort-h.o.g](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/wort-h.o.g)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/14 "2016-03-09T17:28:04Z")
> [@denny](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > just another option I suppose. > > Sure, that makes sense.  It’s just that the pragmatist in me wondered why. i don’t find either very different in difficulty to use. I use weyermann and haven’t found any consistency issues in potency in the 10# bag I bought while ago. not sure if I will ever buy any of the acid malt again or not. I just did at one point and figure I  mind as well get my money out of it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/15 "2016-03-09T18:00:14Z")
I’ve just gotten used to working it into my grain bills so I don’t want to switch. ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/16 "2016-03-09T18:19:53Z")
All of those reasosnns make sense.  It’s just a matter of how you want to do it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/17 "2016-03-09T18:20:28Z")
> [@denny](#): > > All of those reasosnns make sense.  It’s just a matter of how you want to do it. It’s all lactic to me! ---
**Author:** ![GCBrewery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/gcbrewery/32/6585_2.png) [@GCBrewery](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/GCBrewery)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/18 "2016-03-11T15:26:30Z")
> [@denny](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > acid malt works and is just malt treated with lactic- i’ve used per weyermanns guidlines with RO water: > > > > "Weyermann® Acidulated Malt is perfect to adjust the pH level in mash or wort. There is a simple formula to calculate the dosage of Acidulated Malt: You have to use 1% of Acidulated malt to reduce the pH by 0.1. (Example: 3% Acidulated malt reduce the pH leve in mash by 0.3). > > > > The exact effect depends of course on the special conditions in the mash or wort (buffering capacity …) and on the composition of the brew water. > > > > Weyermann Acidulated Malt is produced by using lactic acid, which is generated by on grain natural occurring lactic bacteria. Therefore Acidulated Malt is also a wonderful possibility to produce beer styles with a typical “sourish” character like “Berliner Weisse”. > > > > To reach the “sourish” character 8% of Acidulated malt are a perfect rate. In my recipe there are also recommendations for Fermentis Yeast strains for an authentic aroma and flavour profile" > > What’s hard for me to understand is why you’d use it instead of just using lactic acid.  Same result, right? Mainly because I don’t need googles or gloves with acidulated malt. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jonhughey\_att.net](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jonhughey_att.net/32/6277_2.png) [@jonhughey\_att.net](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jonhughey_att.net)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/19 "2016-03-11T15:31:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Mainly because I don’t need googles or gloves with acidulated malt. 😉 FWIW you don’t need goggles or gloves to use lactic. It’s a pretty mild acid. I’ve gotten it on my fingers many times with no issues at all. No more likely to cause an irritation than star san. ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688/20 "2016-03-11T15:42:26Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@denny](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > acid malt works and is just malt treated with lactic- i’ve used per weyermanns guidlines with RO water: > > > > > > "Weyermann® Acidulated Malt is perfect to adjust the pH level in mash or wort. There is a simple formula to calculate the dosage of Acidulated Malt: You have to use 1% of Acidulated malt to reduce the pH by 0.1. (Example: 3% Acidulated malt reduce the pH leve in mash by 0.3). > > > > > > The exact effect depends of course on the special conditions in the mash or wort (buffering capacity …) and on the composition of the brew water. > > > > > > Weyermann Acidulated Malt is produced by using lactic acid, which is generated by on grain natural occurring lactic bacteria. Therefore Acidulated Malt is also a wonderful possibility to produce beer styles with a typical “sourish” character like “Berliner Weisse”. > > > > > > To reach the “sourish” character 8% of Acidulated malt are a perfect rate. In my recipe there are also recommendations for Fermentis Yeast strains for an authentic aroma and flavour profile" > > > > What’s hard for me to understand is why you’d use it instead of just using lactic acid.  Same result, right? > > Mainly because I don’t need googles or gloves with acidulated malt. 😉 I don’t need them with lactic acid, either. [Next page](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/acidulated-malt-addition/22688.md?page=2)