This weekend, I had the pleasure of trying a black IPA at HopCat in Grand Rapids. I’ve made regular IPAs that have worked out pretty well, and I’m considering doing a darker variation. I think I’d like to end up with something that could be described as either a hoppy porter or significantly darker IPA.
I’m still an extract brewer, but let me know what you think of this idea:
Crush & steep 6 oz Simpsons chocolate malt, 6 oz Simpsons black malt, and 1 lb Simpsons dark crystal malt for 20 minutes
Add 5 lb unhopped, amber DME
Add 6AAU Fuggles hops at start of 60 minute boil
Add 4 AAU Fuggles hops after 30 minutes
Add 8 AAU after 55 minutes
Cool to 70 degrees, then pitch Wyeast Ringwood Ale yeast
Dry hop - Add 4 AAU Fuggles when transferring beer into the secondary
What you would be making would more approximate an Imperial Stout or a Barley Wine than a Black IPA. I live in Portland, and drink a lot of Black IPA’s… I would just brew your favorite IPA and add 6-8 oz of Sinamar, personally.
And if you don’t have access to Sinamar, you can take crushed chocolate malt (preferably Carafa) and steep it in cold water overnight. The soak ratio is quite intense. You want it to be like a super gritty slurry.
The next day, strain the liquid out. (I use a wire mesh strainer) and voila - you basically have homemade Sinamar.
On the Brews & Views discussion board a couple months ago, someone mentioned a talk you gave regarding cold steeping of malts like Munich. I would very much appreciate it if you would elaborate on this technique. How do you do it, what does it do for the brew, what malts are good candidates for this technique.
Dr. Fix:
The talk was in the NCHF at Napa in October. Those folks on the left coast really know how to do a beer festival! The cold steeping procedure was designed to maximize the extraction of desirable melanoidins, and at the same time minimize the extraction of undesirable ones. The former are simple compounds which yield a fine malt taste. The undesirable ones come from more complicated structures. Polymers with sulfur compounds tend to have malt/vegetable tones. Others yield cloying tones, which to my palate have an under fermented character. The highest level melanoidins can even have burnt characteristics. The cold steeping procedure was developed by Mary Ann Gruber of Briess. My version goes as follows.
* (i) One gallon of water per 3-4 lbs. of grains to be steeped is brought to a boil and held there for 5 mins.
* (ii) The water is cooled down to ambient, and the cracked grains are added.
* (iii) This mixture is left for 12-16 hrs. at ambient temperatures, and then added to the brew kettle for the last 15-20 mins. of the boil.
Mary Ann has had good results by adding the steeped grains directly to the fermenter without boiling, however I have not tried that variation of the procedure.
The upside of cold steeping is that it works. The downside is that it is very inefficient both with respect to extract and color. In my setup I am using 2-3 times the malt that would normally be used. As a consequence I have been using it for “adjunct malts” such as black and crystal. I also am very happy with the use of Munich malts with this process when they are used as secondary malts.
Thanks for the suggestions! Another thing I’m a little on the fence about is my choice of yeast. Ringwood might be interesting; then again, there might be too much butterscotch flavor in the finished beer…
maybe/probably it’s just dumb luck, but i’ve had good luck with ringwood ale in ipa’s. even won a contest and got third best of show with a ringwood ale fermented ipa.
If I made a Black IPA (and I plan to sometime in the next few months), I wouldn’t use a “risky” yeast like Ringwood, but something extremely safe, like 1056, since off flavors could be difficult to attribute to the yeast, the malt bill, the hop bill, the process… when things are “experimental” on too many grounds. If you’re looking for an “English” strain, try 1028 or 1275 (or even S-04).
Does sinamar contribute a flavor? I realize brewing an IPA and turning it black, technically is a “Black IPA”, but I tend to think of the Black IPAs as having a roasty touch to them. There are quite a few of these beers out there now, I’ve had them but have never brewed one. Aren’t the brewers using some dark malt like chocolate or debittered black to get that roasty note and dark color?
Okay, so I think I will try the sinamar and a more typical ale yeast when I try to hit the black IPA. I’m planning on brewing two batches in March, despite the hassle of bottling nearly four cases when I finally have the time to do so! Thus, while following the suggestions here in an attempt to nail a style, I might also give the proposed recipe a shot just to see what I come up with. I’m really still learning the finer points of brewing, so a little exploration is probably in order. Besides, a friend of mine has really been encouraging me to give it a try! Recent experimentation has produced good results. I’ve primed my last two batches with a cup each of DME, and despite concerns that it may not ferment ad well as corn sugar, it did produce sufficient carbonation, and enhanced the maltiness of the beer. Slowly but surely, I’m learning how to brew better beer!
I did one recently with 1lb of Carafa II and it came out pitch black, definitely got a bit of mellow roasty flavor but it works pretty nice overall between the hops and the rest of the grain bill. I used WLP007 and it’s a stellar attenuator & flocs like mad.
One piece of added advice that I wish I had been given earlier in my homebrewing experience: when bottling a “big” beer, especially one that is somewhat expensive to make, add a pack of dry ale yeast (Nottingham, US-05, S-04, whatever) a couple days before bottling. This will GREATLY increase your likelihood of having good, reliable carbonation.
As usual, I am playing around with ideas for the beers I am going to brew after I brew the two I have ready to brew before I fly to the bay area for an abbreviated spring break next Tuesday.Those beers are a witbier and a Red Seal-inspired APA (which I had planned on doing with 1450, but decided to do with Pacman). So, in 2-3 weeks, I will have a nice slurry of Pacman ready to roll, and was thinking that a Black IPA is in order (my girlfriend is in love with the style). After that I was thinking about playing around with the Unibroue yeast being released as a seasonal until I move in May and have to keg/bottle all my beer. How does this recipe look?
1 oz Cascade (5.7 AA) FWH
.5 oz CTZ (16.1 AA) 60 min
.5 oz Summit (18.5 AA) 30 min
1 oz Cascade (5.7 AA) 5 min
1 oz Simcoe (12.7 AA) 5 min
1.5 oz Simcoe (12.7 AA) 0 min
1.5 oz Cascade (5.7 AA) 0 min
1 oz Simcoe Dry Hop
1 oz CTZ Keg Hop
Pacman Yeast
Mash at 150 for 75 min, ferment in low 60s.
OG ~ 1.068, FG ~ 1.013, IBU ~ 63, SRM ~ 35
First of all, is this grain bill ok? Is corn sugar a good idea? Since sinamar is added to the boil, not the mash, is there any need to treat my water for the darker color? Like, should I put a Tbsp of chalk in the kettle, or do I just add gypsum as usual with an IPA?