# Enartis **URL:** \ **Category:** Ingredients\ **Created:** [July 5, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843 "2017-07-05T00:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/1 "2017-07-05T00:09:43Z")
Has anyone ever ordered Yeast from Enartis before? Here is the link: > **[Enartis Home page USA](https://shop-usa.enartis.com/)** > > Enartis - leading supplier to the wine industry through our laboratory services, consulting and winemaking supplies I was looking for Yeasts that produce a bunch of Esters and that could be ordered in 500g quantities, and this website seems like the best option. I haven’t been able to find anyone else posting a Review of them online, so I thought I would create a thread to gather any Reviews that anyone has, as well as to share my own whenever the Yeast comes in and I use it. Here are the 2 Strains I got: This one is for Cider and Sparkling Cider, because it give a strong Apple/Pear/Flower smell, so with the leftover residuals from the molecules that make up Apple Juice, it should make a good Cider Wine/Champagne > **[EnartisFerm ES123](https://shop-usa.enartis.com/enartis-ferm-es-123-2)** > >   This one is for Banana Beer/Banana Cider/Banana Wine/Banana Champagne, and any other Wine > **[EnartisFerm WS](https://shop-usa.enartis.com/enartis-ferm-ws-2)** > >   I am also going to get a 3rd strain from another company for Cider, but I have not ordered that one yet. Once these come in the mail (maybe a week) I will take pictures and everything, and when I start brewing I will post pictures or links to the thread, if there is another thread, here. If anyone else has used this Company post about it here, or if anyone has tried anything made from these Yeasts. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/2 "2017-07-05T00:23:57Z")
Here is the profile of the WS Yeast: [http://www.enartis.com/upload/images/01\_2016/160111154628.pdf](http://www.enartis.com/upload/images/01_2016/160111154628.pdf) And here is where it comes from: [http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/154/](http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/154/) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/3 "2017-07-05T00:26:44Z")
This is from that profile, so I it should be good for Ciders of various fruits like Banana. _“WS is reliable in all fermentations, even on the most difficult ones. It is a concentration of quality and efficiency in every aspect”_ - Matteo Corazzolla, at Cider Producer L.M. di Maria Lucia Melchiori & C., Italy ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/4 "2017-07-05T00:26:56Z")
500g is a big commitment to a yeast you’ve never used before. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/5 "2017-07-05T00:27:44Z")
> [@](#): > > 500g is a big commitment to a yeast you’ve never used before. > > Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro I’m doing 55 Gallons. And I need Esters and a high ABV. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/6 "2017-07-05T00:36:20Z")
Have you ever made wine? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/7 "2017-07-05T00:40:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Have you ever made wine? > > Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Yes, but I have always used Distiller’s Yeast in the past. I didn’t know there were so many different strains of Yeast before. I have made it with just Sugar and water or with Raisins, Pineapples or Pears. Now I am going to do Apples and Bananas, and probably Mead either at the same time or next. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/8 "2017-07-05T00:54:13Z")
I also want to try to get some strains like this that are a different species that have good Ester production [http://www.enartis.com/eu/assistente-enologo/enartis-ferm-q-tau\_3812.htm](http://www.enartis.com/eu/assistente-enologo/enartis-ferm-q-tau_3812.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/9 "2017-07-05T03:03:26Z")
I am going to quote a few things I posted in the other thread since this thread is about Yeast. I just think having breeding discussion here would be beneficial. > [@](#): > > the guy who discovered DNA, Craig Venter, he has now created a way to make Synthetic DNA, and it is actually really easy he says. He even created a machine that allows you to put DNA into a machine, and the machine will turn the DNA into 1’s and 0’s, then you can send the DNA code through the Cloud and it can be printed on the other side in another one of these machines. The Machines are called "Digital Biological Converter"s and he calls the process “Biological Teleportation”. And I was watching a lecture he did and he said that all it takes to create a new Chromosome. An Artificial piece of DNA, is to add Amino Acids to Yeast. Yeast naturally has very loose affiliation to its DNA, and exchanges DNA through Horizontal Transfer, which means they basically just touch each other and exchange DNA. And DNA is just amino acids in long chains. > > So Yeast could actually be the key to the creation of life and a lot of other things. > > And there are Yeasts that have been genetically modified to create Cannabinoids as byproducts instead of Alcohol. It’s crazy. > > I want to try to make a Yeast that is Banana, Pear, Apple and Plum flavored. I know genes don’t just mix and do everything, but I’m going to try to get a propagator eventually and see what happens when I mix a few strains. > > Also, I am very interested in the concept of Recombination. > > You have probably heard of Epigentics, which is the study of the change of DNA throughout 1 lifetime, and how that effects what is passed down that otherwise might not have been or in place of something that otherwise would have been. And it is based on Environmental factors. > > But I think that people are missing Recombination. Because supposedly species are just 2 of the same thing that were separated by water or land or whatever. That’s how Cultivars and everything are made too. Like Darwin’s birds with the different beaks, but both Finches. Recombination is mixing those 2 back together, or 2 species that are even further apart. Getting 2 species as far apart as you can, sometimes even into a different Genus (as in cases like Mules made from Donkeys and Horses, and Zebra-Horses), then recombining their DNA. > > And there are a few methods used in Genetic Engineering, like the companies that make GMOs, that actually aren’t too complicated and they can mutate the DNA. I just think it would be interesting to try some things and then find a lab to send the byproducts to every time and see what the Yeast makes. And of course test the gravity to see if it is some mutant 40% ABV Yeast, because people would love that. > > And people probably already know this buy Austin Texas has a pretty big brewing and distilling community. There are a bunch of new Vodkas an Ciders coming out of Austin right now, and it is happening in a similar way to how Austin is the Liberal bastion in Texas. It’s kind of like a Mecca in Texas for Brewing. So the 3rd Yeast I am getting is going to be from an Austin Cider making company, and they claim that it makes tons of Esters. So I’ll start breeding these Yeasts together on a small scale, then eventually I will get a propagator and start create big batches of new strains, and use the smaller batches to test amino acids and different methods to mutate the DNA. > > Here are some papers on Breeding Yeast: > [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.1904.tb04656.x/pdf](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.1904.tb04656.x/pdf) > [http://linneo.iata.csic.es/jpolaina/files/PolainaJ02.pdf](http://linneo.iata.csic.es/jpolaina/files/PolainaJ02.pdf) > [http://www.pivarstvo.info/forum/files/yeast\_propagation\_and\_maintenance\_607.pdf](http://www.pivarstvo.info/forum/files/yeast_propagation_and_maintenance_607.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/10 "2017-07-05T03:16:11Z")
Also, I will probably get a Wine License in the next few months: [https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=29783.0](https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=29783.0) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/11 "2017-07-05T03:26:02Z")
Here are some papers about the Yeast Genome: [http://genepath.med.harvard.edu/~winston/pdfs/Reviews%20Chapters%20Books%20/Winston\_2008\_CurrProtMolBio.pdf](http://genepath.med.harvard.edu/~winston/pdfs/Reviews%20Chapters%20Books%20/Winston_2008_CurrProtMolBio.pdf) [http://research.stowers.org/jaspersenlab/docs/markerswitching.pdf](http://research.stowers.org/jaspersenlab/docs/markerswitching.pdf) > **[mystery.pdf](https://teach.genetics.utah.edu/content/labs/mystery.pdf)** > > 381.48 KB [http://glanglab.com/Thesis.pdf](http://glanglab.com/Thesis.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/12 "2017-07-05T13:16:20Z")
Ok, so I let a bunch of people know that I bought Enartis Yeast, but it seems like no one has ever used it before. I think it is not something that has really become known in America yet. I know it’s a European Company, and they are Enologists and everything. But I am not sure that they are well known in America yet. There must be some Wine community in America who knows about these Yeasts and products and everything, but they seem to be a company that isn’t Americanized yet. For example, they don’t really have a Twitter account, but it does seem like a few of their employees have Twitter Accounts, there is just no one account that looks like the Official Account, like @Enartis or @EnartisFerm or @EnartisUSA or something. There is Enartis South Africa, but it is still a small Twitter account. And I noticed that they do have a lot of satellite companies, like Enartis Portugal and stuff like that, so they are not just some small company, they do seem to be a large company, but they seem to be a large company in that they have a lot of locations around the World, and a lot of people working on their main goal, which is to provide quality Enology and Enology products. But they seem not to have a bunch of Web Designers on hand, or a bunch of Graphic Designers, or Brand Ambassadors, etc, like American Companies do. And I read a thing that said that they are actually a company that started from another Company that existed 80 Years before they launched their current company. So I am really interested to check out this Yeast and maybe be the first person to Review it on a forum, and take pictures of what it does and be able to explain what it tastes like and smells like for everybody and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/13 "2017-07-05T14:14:14Z")
Here is a description of Enartis: > **[Blog - International Bulk Wine & Spirits Show, San Francisco](https://ibwsshow.com/en/blog/)** > > Read latest show updates,news and informative blogs related to bulk wine, bulk spirits, private label and contract manufacturing industry. _The company goes beyond the traditional concept of winemaking product sales through the integration of its yeasts, nutrients, enzymes, tannins, polysaccharides, gums and other materials into specific application strategies and protocols, together with knowledgeable technical support._ _…_ _Enartis USA is a leading supplier of wine making products, with the capability to meet the needs of wineries of all sizes. Its’ primary pledge is geared toward the quality of Enological co-adjuncts. Quality is indispensable in order to guarantee food safety and to provide wine producers with peace-of-mind. The Food Safety System Certification FSSC 22000 granted to Enartis guarantees the safety, purity and quality consistency of their products which conform to technical specifications and originally established applications._ So I think they are probably known by a number of Wineries in California, but I am not sure if they are well known outside of that in the US. I found a few pages where they have schedules, and apparently they do seminars. Like presentations about Wine and Fermenting. [http://www.enartis.com/au/news/harvest-webinar-series-low-so2-wine-production\_5381.htm](http://www.enartis.com/au/news/harvest-webinar-series-low-so2-wine-production_5381.htm) But I think that they need to make a YouTube Channel, or PodCast, or something where people can see the presentation after it is given, or on Google Hangouts, where they can just do it live and then it goes up on YouTube afterwards. Or Facebook Live. I think this company could be really big in America. Hardly anyone knows that there are so many different kinds of Yeast, and many people just buy Beer or Wine from the store, but if they heard about this, and could watch videos they made about how to make Wine and Esters and Yeasts and everything, then they would probably get a huge following of New Winemakers. And maybe even inspire people to start Wineries with their Yeasts and products. I’m ready to see what this Yeast can do, because this company really does seem promising. I can’t believe there are no readily searchable reviews of Wines made with these Yeasts or of people talking about this company. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/14 "2017-07-05T14:16:43Z")
Try another forum. This forum is beer focused with a smidgen of mead thrown in. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/15 "2017-07-05T14:23:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Try another forum. This forum is beer focused with a smidgen of mead thrown in. I’m using it for Cider and Mead. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/16 "2017-07-05T14:24:50Z")
And I am not saying I just posted it here, I also posted about it in all the Facebook groups about Wine, and on Google Plus. And it doesn’t seem like anyone has ever gone through them before. It’s not just you guys, no one really knows about this company. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/17 "2017-07-05T14:26:57Z")
Could be that most people don’t want 500g bricks of yeast. 10g sachets are less than a $1 and readily available. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/18 "2017-07-05T14:37:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Could be that most people don’t want 500g bricks of yeast. 10g sachets are less than a $1 and readily available. No. I am pretty sure it is because of where they are in their business. They remind me a lot of the company that I work for. The company I work for is owned buy a Telegu Indian man and his Iranian wife, and everyone that works for the company is a Telegu Indian except for me and a 70 year old America lady that also works there. And we do Government contracts for Government software, like how at the Library you can look up books, or the Police can look you or your car up, or the DMV can look you up, and Schools have different systems like for lunch accounts, and the library, and grades and everything. And then there are Airports and Travel companies and Healthcare systems. So our company does that, and they have been doing it since like 1995, but they are hardly known by anyone. Xerox and Oracle and Canon all know about the company, and contract us out to do Government contracts for them, and they just put their name and financial information on it, and we do all the real work. And we are hardly on Social Media, because the boss doesn’t want to pay anyone a good amount of money to do Social Media stuff. So while our company does $50,000,000 contracts sometimes, it is still a pretty small company. With Offices in a few countries and not really a lot of employees. And their Health Insurance Exchange was called the best in the nation. So while the Obamacare website failed and the rollout stalled, the State that the company I work for made was working perfectly. I can’t talk about what State because I signed an NDA, but this Wine company reminds me a lot of the company I work for. They are a company that has been around for a while and branched out of an older company, they have locations all over the world, they are Italian, they are probably the lifeline to a good number of Wineries in California, who probably couldn’t operate without them. I think this company is a good choice. I am looking for Esters from my Yeast and it looks like they have Esters. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/19 "2017-07-05T15:22:55Z")
All yeasts produce esters and those wine yeasts may or may not perform as well in cider as they do in wine must. Those are very large commercial pitches of dry yeast. 50+ times the amount most home winemakers would want. Even those with multiple barrels would need 10 wine barrels to need that much yeast. Buying 500 grams of yeast is like buying a 50lb sack of flour to make a couple of donuts. Look for smaller packs. Cotes des Blanc is very popular with cider makers. Cote des Blancs Wine Yeast - 10 Packs [Amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0086FSKY4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_5pqxzbETKKAGF) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Sasha](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Sasha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843/20 "2017-07-05T15:32:56Z")
> [@](#): > > All yeasts produce esters and those wine yeasts may or may not perform as well in cider as they do in wine must. > > Those are very large commercial pitches of dry yeast. 50+ times the amount most home winemakers would want. Even those with multiple barrels would need 10 wine barrels to need that much yeast. > > Buying 500 grams of yeast is like buying a 50lb sack of flour to make a couple of donuts. Look for smaller packs. Cotes des Blanc is very popular with cider makers. > > Cote des Blancs Wine Yeast - 10 Packs [Amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0086FSKY4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_5pqxzbETKKAGF) I know it is a lot of Yeast. In the past I always used Distiller’s Yeast though, so I know how much 500g is because I have always gotten 500g before. But with this much I will be able to use it and give it to other people, so that other people can use it. And I will be able to use it for the next year or so, and I will be able to propagate it and create my own yeast strain. And they are not just for Grape Wine. The WS Yeast says that it compliments any fruit because it has fruit and spice esters. That is what I am using the WS for Bananas and Mead, etc. Then the ES 123 is a strong Apple, Pear, Flower smell, and suggests that it can be used “To bring an aroma and flavor to” completely neutral grapes. So grapes with no character are given the character of Apples and Pears and Flowers with the ES 123, so to use it with Apples will be good. [Next page](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/enartis/25843.md?page=2)