# How long for a Shaken-not-Stirred lager starter?

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**Category:** Ingredients\
**Created:** [March 10, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/how-long-for-a-shaken-not-stirred-lager-starter/19412 "2015-03-10T23:15:18Z")\
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**Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/how-long-for-a-shaken-not-stirred-lager-starter/19412/21 "2015-03-14T19:55:04Z")

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> twenties and early thirties.&nbsp; Shaking the dickens out of a starter was just the result of being very strong.&nbsp; I noticed a huge increase in performance, so I stuck with the method long enough to understand why it worked.

Just to understand your process, is this shaking with or without the yeast in the wort starter?

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**Author:** ![Philbrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/858c86/32.png) [@Philbrew](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Philbrew)\
**Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/how-long-for-a-shaken-not-stirred-lager-starter/19412/22 "2015-03-14T20:41:06Z")

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> > twenties and early thirties.&nbsp; Shaking the dickens out of a starter was just the result of being very strong.&nbsp; I noticed a huge increase in performance, so I stuck with the method long enough to understand why it worked.
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> Just to understand your process, is this shaking with or without the yeast in the wort starter?

Yaknow, I never posed that question to S. cerevisiae.&nbsp; I just assumed you put it all together and shook it.&nbsp; So that’s what I did.&nbsp; Worked great for me.

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**Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/how-long-for-a-shaken-not-stirred-lager-starter/19412/23 "2015-03-14T22:41:28Z")

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> Just to understand your process, is this shaking with or without the yeast in the wort starter?

Shaking occurs after pitching.

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**Author:** ![TMX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/tmx/32/10834_2.png) [@TMX](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/TMX)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/how-long-for-a-shaken-not-stirred-lager-starter/19412/24 "2015-03-15T02:32:09Z")

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for those that want to know

[https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=22055.0](https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=22055.0)

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**Author:** ![narcout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/narcout/32/7683_2.png) [@narcout](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/narcout)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/how-long-for-a-shaken-not-stirred-lager-starter/19412/25 "2015-03-16T16:15:07Z")

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> > I don’t know that I would pitch 3 liters of starter wort into a 6 gallon batch of beer.
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> I don’t want to sound snarky but that’s what the silly yeast calculators call for.&nbsp; In fact they want 4 L !

What I was getting at is that I would decant and just pitch the yeast to avoid diluting the beer with too much bland tasting starter wort, not that your starter was too large.

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