In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor

[curtism1234]

I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. Was this light sulfer?

They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks

[pete_baker (pete b)]

@curtism1234

I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks

Air?

[curtism1234]

@curtism1234

I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks

Air?

Stale quality like you’re drinking an Anchor Steam. Don’t know how else to describe it… 

[dmtaylor (Dave Taylor)]

Unfortunately I’d probably have to taste it myself to help you out.

[denny]

@curtism1234

@curtism1234

I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks

Air?

Stale quality like you’re drinking an Anchor Steam. Don’t know how else to describe it… 

stale as in oxidized?

[kramerog]

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

[skatz (Stevie)]

I can’t say I get an “air” flavor from anchor steam. I get lots of malt with herbal and woodsy, almost like fresh soil.

[curtism1234]

@denny

stale as in oxidized?

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I would certainly not describe it as a sherry or metalic flavor. It would be closer to a paper flavor but I don’t think it was oxidized.

@kramerog

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

I do not get a salty flavor with Anchor Steam and the couple of homebrews I have tried. Perhaps it is the water, the city is probably pumping it in from the Gulf. I did not taste the local water during my visit.

[morticaixavier]

@curtism1234

@denny

stale as in oxidized?

I would certainly not describe it as a sherry or metalic flavor. It would be closer to a paper flavor but I don’t think it was oxidized.

@kramerog

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

I do not get a salty flavor with Anchor Steam and the couple of homebrews I have tried. Perhaps it is the water, the city is probably pumping it in from the Gulf. I did not taste the local water during my visit.

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paper says oxidation. That’s a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That’s ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don’t think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn’t really sound like something I’d want to replicate either.

[brewinhard]

paper says oxidation. That’s a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That’s ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don’t think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn’t really sound like something I’d want to replicate either.

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+1.

[jonhughey_att.net (HoosierBrew)]

@brewinhard

paper says oxidation. That’s a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That’s ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don’t think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn’t really sound like something I’d want to replicate either.

+1.

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+2  Sounds pretty flawed.

[denny]

@morticaixavier

@curtism1234

@denny

stale as in oxidized?

I would certainly not describe it as a sherry or metalic flavor. It would be closer to a paper flavor but I don’t think it was oxidized.

@kramerog

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

I do not get a salty flavor with Anchor Steam and the couple of homebrews I have tried. Perhaps it is the water, the city is probably pumping it in from the Gulf. I did not taste the local water during my visit.

paper says oxidation. That’s a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That’s ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don’t think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn’t really sound like something I’d want to replicate either.

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Actually I get metallic from some oxidized beers.  Still just guessing, though.

[majorvices]

I wonder if they didn’t use WY2124, which is used by many breweries at warmer temps to create more ale like flavors.

“Salty and air” to me says you were hanging at the beach with a wonderful salty sea breeze that has altered and even possibly enhanced your perception.

[ynotbrusum]

Or maybe it was a Gose?

[majorvices]

@ynotbrusum

Or maybe it was a Gose?

That would explain it completely, they pulled the wrong tap.

[klickitat_jim]

@majorvices

@ynotbrusum

Or maybe it was a Gose?

That would explain it completely, they pulled the wrong tap.

With that theory, maybe it wasn’t a tap at all, or even a beer…

OP, was the beer kinda like a slurpee with salt around the rim of the glass?

[curtism1234]

@klickitat_jim

@majorvices

@ynotbrusum

Or maybe it was a Gose?

That would explain it completely, they pulled the wrong tap.

With that theory, maybe it wasn’t a tap at all, or even a beer…

OP, was the beer kinda like a slurpee with salt around the rim of the glass?

That would explain why there was a lime…

I ordered a flight at the brewery. I was a bit concerened they could get the american wheat, berliner weisse, and Kolcsh backwards in the presentation. I liked what was labeled kolsch, ordered a full pint, and it was idential.

Oh well - I thought my question may have had a straight-forward answer, but it just caused all sorts of confusion.

It was good, I’d drink it again if I ever get down that way, and that will just have to be that  ???

Thanks all

[erockrph]

@majorvices

I wonder if they didn’t use WY2124, which is used by many breweries at warmer temps to create more ale like flavors.

I find that it is used by many breweries at warmer temperatures to try to pass something off as a lager even though it just tastes like poor fermentation.

[majorvices]

@curtism1234

@klickitat_jim

@majorvices

@ynotbrusum

Or maybe it was a Gose?

That would explain it completely, they pulled the wrong tap.

With that theory, maybe it wasn’t a tap at all, or even a beer…

OP, was the beer kinda like a slurpee with salt around the rim of the glass?

That would explain why there was a lime…

I ordered a flight at the brewery. I was a bit concerened they could get the american wheat, berliner weisse, and Kolcsh backwards in the presentation. I liked what was labeled kolsch, ordered a full pint, and it was idential.

Oh well - I thought my question may have had a straight-forward answer, but it just caused all sorts of confusion.

It was good, I’d drink it again if I ever get down that way, and that will just have to be that  ???

Thanks all

Just because it was identical doesn’t mean that the servers don’t have the wrong beer on tap!

[klickitat_jim]

Yup. Gose labeled BW, and either on wrong tap or the help figured Kölsch is a nickname for mislabeled sour beer