# Looking for automated brewery **URL:** \ **Category:** Brewing Processes\ **Created:** [April 1, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653 "2019-04-01T20:42:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MerlinBrewer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@MerlinBrewer](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MerlinBrewer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/1 "2019-04-01T20:42:09Z")
Hello Everyone, I brew a beer during couple of years and now almost ready to give up. I’m looking for most automated and most all-in-one apparatus for all grain homebrewing. Ideally - put grain, push button, get beer. It seems to me the Brewie is most advanced system. But this is actually only wort-maker. Can somebody recommend something else? ---
**Author:** ![MattyAHA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@MattyAHA](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MattyAHA)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/2 "2019-04-02T19:21:42Z")
zymatic picobrew ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/3 "2019-04-02T21:53:07Z")
> [@MattyAHA](#): > > zymatic picobrew Actually, the Z has replaced the Zymatic.  Just got mine and brewing on it this week. ---
**Author:** ![MattyAHA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@MattyAHA](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MattyAHA)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 4:06am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/4 "2019-04-03T04:06:04Z")
> [@denny](#): > > > [@MattyAHA](#): > > > > zymatic picobrew > > Actually, the Z has replaced the Zymatic.  Just got mine and brewing on it this week. Awesome Denny hope you have fun with it \m/, there you go OP get the Z ---
**Author:** ![MerlinBrewer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@MerlinBrewer](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MerlinBrewer)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/5 "2019-04-03T17:57:49Z")
From my observation Zymatic (Z) is also only wort maker. Someone has posted suggestion here, but now I cannot find it here. May be in another thread? Weird… Anyway, what do you think about PBS-1101? Fareo Inc makes it. ---
**Author:** ![MattyAHA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@MattyAHA](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MattyAHA)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/6 "2019-04-03T18:02:59Z")
> [@MerlinBrewer](#): > > From my observation Zymatic (Z) is also only wort maker. > Someone has posted suggestion here, but now I cannot find it here. May be in another thread? Weird… > Anyway, what do you think about PBS-1101? Fareo Inc makes it. yeah it makes wort, boils it, hops it and all you have to do is add yeast and ferment it, i dont think there is any system that makes “beer” they all make wort, the yeast and fermentation makes the beer ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/7 "2019-04-03T18:37:18Z")
> [@MattyAHA](#): > > > [@MerlinBrewer](#): > > > > From my observation Zymatic (Z) is also only wort maker. > > Someone has posted suggestion here, but now I cannot find it here. May be in another thread? Weird… > > Anyway, what do you think about PBS-1101? Fareo Inc makes it. > > yeah it makes wort, boils it, hops it and all you have to do is add yeast and ferment it, i dont think there is any system that makes “beer” they all make wort, the yeast and fermentation makes the beer Ive seen ads for units that go from wort to beer, including serving.  But none of them actually exist at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Robertestein05_gmail.com)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/8 "2019-04-03T18:46:52Z")
Just looked at that Fareo unit on their website.  It is far less automated than the Z.  Not really automated at all.  You have to put in the grain bag, manually stir in the grain with a spoon, scoop out the grain after mashing, manually add hops and any additional ingredients during the boil when you want… add the yeast and pop on an airlock after cooling… prime and bottle with a hose at the end of fermentation… in other words, it’s a very expensive, giant thing that needs to be permanently connected to your plumbing and electrical systems, and does exactly what a cheap pot and a plastic bucket will do.  (Make really oxidized beer.) And they’re apparently still looking for sufficient interest to put it into production.  I haven’t the foggiest idea what the appeal of an automated system is, but this really has me scratching my head.  If you really have money just burning a hole in your pocket,  please send me some. ---
**Author:** ![MattyAHA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@MattyAHA](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MattyAHA)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/9 "2019-04-03T18:51:36Z")
So Denny, what would you recommend for merlin? i think the Z probably the best option for his needs, i dont have much knowledge on all in one brew systems except for the mash and boil and the grainfather, but seeing he wants a beer machine rather then a brewing system i have no clue ---
**Author:** ![MerlinBrewer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@MerlinBrewer](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MerlinBrewer)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/10 "2019-04-03T18:56:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Just looked at that Fareo unit on their website.  It is far less automated than the Z.  Not really automated at all.  You have to put in the grain bag, manually stir in the grain with a spoon, scoop out the grain after mashing, manually add hops and any additional ingredients during the boil when you want… add the yeast and pop on an airlock after cooling… prime and bottle with a hose at the end of fermentation… in other words, it’s a very expensive, giant thing that needs to be permanently connected to your plumbing and electrical systems, and does exactly what a cheap pot and a plastic bucket will do.  (Make really oxidized beer.) And they’re apparently still looking for sufficient interest to put it into production.  I haven’t the foggiest idea what the appeal of an automated system is, but this really has me scratching my head.  If you really have money just burning a hole in your pocket,  please send me some. Yes, I see it. But, look at the specs. The fermentation range starts from 46F. I can make ferment lagers, easily. Plus cold crash mode. Could you please explain, why the beer will be oxidized? ---
**Author:** ![Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Robertestein05_gmail.com)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/11 "2019-04-03T19:02:36Z")
> [@MerlinBrewer](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Just looked at that Fareo unit on their website.  It is far less automated than the Z.  Not really automated at all.  You have to put in the grain bag, manually stir in the grain with a spoon, scoop out the grain after mashing, manually add hops and any additional ingredients during the boil when you want… add the yeast and pop on an airlock after cooling… prime and bottle with a hose at the end of fermentation… in other words, it’s a very expensive, giant thing that needs to be permanently connected to your plumbing and electrical systems, and does exactly what a cheap pot and a plastic bucket will do.  (Make really oxidized beer.) And they’re apparently still looking for sufficient interest to put it into production.  I haven’t the foggiest idea what the appeal of an automated system is, but this really has me scratching my head.  If you really have money just burning a hole in your pocket,  please send me some. > > Yes, I see it. But, look at the specs. The fermentation range starts from 46F. I can make ferment lagers, easily. Plus cold crash mode. > Could you please explain, why the beer will be oxidized? Oxidation because there is apparently no way to separate trub before fermentation,  and because you will be bottling just as you would with a bucket.  Some day there will probably be a system that ferments, carbonates, and packages all in a closed system.  If it separated trub, you could have very fresh beer. Yes it is temperature controlled.  But you then have to wait for a batch to be bottled before brewing the next, since it’s all in one piece of equipment.  For a lot less money, you could get a system (automated or not) to produce your wort, and also multiple,  temperature controlled fermenters, or a temperature controlled fermentation chamber. ---
**Author:** ![narcout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/narcout/32/7683_2.png) [@narcout](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/narcout)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/12 "2019-04-03T19:10:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Just looked at that Fareo unit on their website. Me too.  I honestly can’t tell if this is a joke or not. [ ![ba557df0-7a0c-4dbc-928e-5c5c8d67eea5-original.jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/2X/5/50e4f2cda44b503997ce39b477d24fdcaa0f2064.jpeg) ](https://beta.photobucket.com/u/narcout/p/ba557df0-7a0c-4dbc-928e-5c5c8d67eea5) ---
**Author:** ![ynotbrusum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/ynotbrusum/32/10316_2.png) [@ynotbrusum](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/ynotbrusum)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/13 "2019-04-03T19:13:57Z")
Look into a unitank with BIAB?  I _ **think** _ you can mash, boil, chill, ferment, dump yeast, carb, bright tank and serve all in one vessel…you still have brewing and cleaning…, but I could be wrong, as I haven’t looked that closely at those things. ---
**Author:** ![Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Robertestein05_gmail.com)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/14 "2019-04-03T19:15:28Z")
Well, the website didn’t go up on April 1st.  I think its serious, just ill-conceived. ---
**Author:** ![MattyAHA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@MattyAHA](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/MattyAHA)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/15 "2019-04-03T19:20:13Z")
Hey Merlin, just curious why are ready to give up? ---
**Author:** ![Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Robertestein05_gmail.com)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/16 "2019-04-03T19:22:03Z")
> [@ynotbrusum](#): > > Look into a unitank with BIAB?  I _ **think** _ you can mash, boil, chill, ferment, dump yeast, carb, bright tank and serve all in one vessel…you still have brewing and cleaning…, but I could be wrong, as I haven’t looked that closely at those things. There was another thread here recently where someone was considering that, it’s called “BIAC.” [https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.homebrewersassociation.org%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D33165.0&share\_tid=33165&share\_fid=40079&share\_type=t](https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ehomebrewersassociation%2Eorg%2Fforum%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D33165%2E0&share_tid=33165&share_fid=40079&share_type=t) As I recall the conclusion was basically what I pointed out here:  you’d do better to have one, separate, wort production system and separate fermentation vessels and control, so you have a flexible process.  Why invest in a big, expensive system that limits you to brewing only a limited number of batches per year? ---
**Author:** ![ynotbrusum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/ynotbrusum/32/10316_2.png) [@ynotbrusum](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/ynotbrusum)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/17 "2019-04-03T19:23:10Z")
Just thought I would link what I was referring to above - [https://brausupply.com/collections/single-vessel-systems](https://brausupply.com/collections/single-vessel-systems) Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/18 "2019-04-03T19:24:57Z")
> [@MattyAHA](#): > > So Denny, what would you recommend for merlin? i think the Z probably the best option for his needs, i dont have much knowledge on all in one brew systems except for the mash and boil and the grainfather, but seeing he wants a beer machine rather then a brewing system i have no clue Neither do I ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/19 "2019-04-03T19:26:19Z")
> [@MerlinBrewer](#): > > Hello Everyone, > I brew a beer during couple of years and now almost ready to give up. > I’m looking for most automated and most all-in-one apparatus for all grain homebrewing. Ideally - put grain, push button, get beer. > It seems to me the Brewie is most advanced system. But this is actually only wort-maker. > Can somebody recommend something else? I have a friend who has a Brewie.  He spends more time waiting for parts and repairing it than brewing with it. ---
**Author:** ![narcout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/narcout/32/7683_2.png) [@narcout](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/narcout)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653/20 "2019-04-03T19:26:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, the website didn’t go up on April 1st.  I think its serious, just ill-conceived. Scooping 12 lbs. of spent grain out of a mesh bag with a ladle (sorry, grain extractor) seems ill conceived? > [@MerlinBrewer](#): > > Anyway, what do you think about PBS-1101? Fareo Inc makes it. Seriously though, I think you would be extremely disappointed if you purchased it.  If you are looking for something automated, there are better options out there (though I don’t know of any off the shelf product that is fully automated from grain to glass). [Next page](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/looking-for-automated-brewery/28653.md?page=2)