# Pale gold or deep gold Ale inquiry **URL:** \ **Category:** Brewing Processes\ **Created:** [May 7, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457 "2018-05-07T16:51:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ninjaslave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/ninjaslave/32/9910_2.png) [@ninjaslave](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/ninjaslave)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/1 "2018-05-07T16:51:19Z")
what grains can I use to make a pale gold to deep golden ale? what kind of taste should I expect ? I’m trying to brainstorm a grain bill i can use for a new batch while my other one ferments. ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/2 "2018-05-07T16:53:08Z")
pale gold - all pale malt deep gold - 70-90% pale male, 10-30% Munich ---
**Author:** ![ninjaslave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/ninjaslave/32/9910_2.png) [@ninjaslave](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/ninjaslave)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/3 "2018-05-07T17:37:09Z")
> [@denny](#): > > pale gold - all pale malt > > deep gold - 70-90% pale male, 10-30% Munich thanks , I was considering munich malt, since it I heard it has some diastic power even though its a specialty malt, along with 2 row pale malt i might also try  flaked rice and irish moss to fiddle with the body and look or the beer ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/4 "2018-05-07T17:38:39Z")
> [@ninjaslave](#): > > > [@denny](#): > > > > pale gold - all pale malt > > > > deep gold - 70-90% pale male, 10-30% Munich > > thanks , I was considering munich malt, since it I heard it has some diastic power even though its a specialty malt, along with 2 row pale malt > > i might also try  flaked rice and irish moss to fiddle with the body and look or the beer Munich is a base malt, not a specialty…at least for many.  I’ve made a lot of 100% Munich beers. ---
**Author:** ![ninjaslave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/ninjaslave/32/9910_2.png) [@ninjaslave](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/ninjaslave)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/5 "2018-05-07T17:45:07Z")
> [@denny](#): > > Munich is a base malt, not a specialty…at least for many.  I’ve made a lot of 100% Munich beers. wow i dint know that, Ive never used munich so i might try it out, thanks ---
**Author:** ![goschman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@goschman](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/goschman)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/6 "2018-05-07T17:47:41Z")
100% Vienna would probably make a nice golden color ---
**Author:** ![a10t2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/a10t2/32/6257_2.png) [@a10t2](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/a10t2)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/7 "2018-05-07T18:23:32Z")
My golden lager is 77% Pils, 20% Munich, 3% CaraRed. Makes for a beautiful color and a nice Vienna-ish character with a little extra sweetness, kind of Sam Adams-y without the caramel. ---
**Author:** ![klickitat\_jim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/klickitat_jim/32/6601_2.png) [@klickitat\_jim](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/klickitat_jim)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/8 "2018-05-07T20:24:05Z")
Next mind blow is that not all Munichs are the same. Can be as different from maltster to maltster as any other grain. I use Best Malz and have used Great Western. They are night and day to me. Both excellent, just different. ---
**Author:** ![denny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/denny/32/13092_2.png) [@denny](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/denny)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/9 "2018-05-07T20:28:24Z")
> [@klickitat\_jim](#): > > Next mind blow is that not all Munichs are the same. Can be as different from maltster to maltster as any other grain. I use Best Malz and have used Great Western. They are night and day to me. Both excellent, just different. Yep, and as you mention that’s pretty much true of any malt.  The variety of barley and the way it’s treated by the maltster make a huge difference ---
**Author:** ![klickitat\_jim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/klickitat_jim/32/6601_2.png) [@klickitat\_jim](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/klickitat_jim)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/10 "2018-05-07T20:46:40Z")
> [@denny](#): > > > [@klickitat\_jim](#): > > > > Next mind blow is that not all Munichs are the same. Can be as different from maltster to maltster as any other grain. I use Best Malz and have used Great Western. They are night and day to me. Both excellent, just different. > > Yep, and as you mention that’s pretty much true of any malt.  The variety of barley and the way it’s treated by the maltster make a huge difference Which is why I puzzle at recipes for a specific beer, for example SNPA, that call for 2 Row and C40. I’m give it a little more credibility if they specify, for example, Great Western Washington Select Pale Malt and Breiss C40. With just naming 2 Row and C40 you end up with the chatter of “I brewed it and it wasn’t close” “Really? I thought it was spot on…” ---
**Author:** ![Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@Robertestein05\_gmail.com](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/Robertestein05_gmail.com)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/pale-gold-or-deep-gold-ale-inquiry/27457/11 "2018-05-07T21:35:30Z")
> [@klickitat\_jim](#): > > > [@denny](#): > > > > > [@klickitat\_jim](#): > > > > > > Next mind blow is that not all Munichs are the same. Can be as different from maltster to maltster as any other grain. I use Best Malz and have used Great Western. They are night and day to me. Both excellent, just different. > > > > Yep, and as you mention that’s pretty much true of any malt.  The variety of barley and the way it’s treated by the maltster make a huge difference > > Which is why I puzzle at recipes for a specific beer, for example SNPA, that call for 2 Row and C40. I’m give it a little more credibility if they specify, for example, Great Western Washington Select Pale Malt and Breiss C40. > > With just naming 2 Row and C40 you end up with the chatter of “I brewed it and it wasn’t close” “Really? I thought it was spot on…” Revealing trade secrets, making unpaid endorsments… why aren’t they more forthcoming?  I say blame their lawyers!