# Wort Chillers - Copper vs. Stainless Steel **URL:** \ **Category:** General Homebrew Discussion\ **Created:** [October 20, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965 "2014-10-20T02:45:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![peteck36](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peteck36](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/peteck36)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/1 "2014-10-20T02:45:42Z")
Hi all. I’m a newbie (4 brews) and am thinking about getting an immersion wort chiller. I’ve seen both copper and stainless steel for sale.  Which do you think is better? Thanks for your help. Peter ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/2 "2014-10-20T02:47:19Z")
Copper is more efficient, stainless is cheaper. Both will work fine. I have multiple copper chillers. ---
**Author:** ![hopfenundmalz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/hopfenundmalz/32/11193_2.png) [@hopfenundmalz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/hopfenundmalz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 3:34am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/3 "2014-10-20T03:34:24Z")
Copper costs more today, which was a surprise. SS is more durable. If one looks at the effectiveness, it only goes a little in favor of copper. Buy the biggest you can afford. You can make a copper chiller easier. I have a 50ft 1/2 inch copper chiller. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/4 "2014-10-21T01:38:17Z")
If you talking about immersion chillers, I have chillers made from both materials.  Stainless steel is definitely durable and pretty, but copper wins hands down when it comes to chilling. ---
**Author:** ![hopfenundmalz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/hopfenundmalz/32/11193_2.png) [@hopfenundmalz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/hopfenundmalz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/5 "2014-10-21T02:52:41Z")
How much is hands down? Running the numbers, one gets that the SS is about 88% of the copper. What are your numbers? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/6 "2014-10-21T13:47:56Z")
My copper immersion chiller chills in roughly 75% of the time that it takes to chill with my stainless chiller.  The stainless chiller is definitely prettier. ---
**Author:** ![hopfenundmalz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/hopfenundmalz/32/11193_2.png) [@hopfenundmalz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/hopfenundmalz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/7 "2014-10-21T14:29:55Z")
Copper is a little faster no argument. These guys were more like 90% for SS. Stirring would speed both up. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/3X/a/1/a1d58c151c014e1d96d086b5c5f8ede652d33848.jpeg "Stainless Steel vs Copper Wort chiller") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz4CoITHX3M) ---
**Author:** ![peteck36](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peteck36](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/peteck36)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/8 "2014-10-21T18:47:51Z")
Thanks for your responses! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/9 "2014-10-21T19:15:00Z")
> [@hopfenundmalz](#): > > Copper is a little faster no argument. > These guys were more like 90% for SS. Stirring would speed both up. What I found with my copper chiller is that I can run the water a little faster because heat transfer is better; hence, my chilling time delta does not take into account greater per minute water usage.  A properly executed test should compare the amount of water that it takes to achieve equal temps. ---
**Author:** ![jmsetzler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jmsetzler/32/11003_2.png) [@jmsetzler](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jmsetzler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/10 "2014-10-21T19:52:29Z")
If you are brewing outside and have the ability to use a counterflow chiller, I would suggest trying that out instead of an immersion chiller.  I built and immersion chiller and I have been using it for over 10 years but I’m in the process of switching to counterflow.  I think counterflow is more efficient at cooling.  I plan to use my immersion chiller in line with the counterflow during warm weater to pre-cool my water going into the counterflow chiller. I spent most of the day Saturday trying to build my own counterflow chiller.  I’m terrible at soldering and ended up with a mess.  I ordered a pre-assembled counterflow chiller for about $80 that should arrive later this week 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/11 "2014-10-21T20:14:37Z")
I’ve been think of building the copper inside a hose type chiller for a while. Savings over pre-made isn’t that much, so I think I’ll buy one. I’ll wait for your video. ---
**Author:** ![jmsetzler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jmsetzler/32/11003_2.png) [@jmsetzler](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jmsetzler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/12 "2014-10-21T22:21:24Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve been think of building the copper inside a hose type chiller for a while. Savings over pre-made isn’t that much, so I think I’ll buy one. I’ll wait for your video. If my soldering skills were better I’d be in business.  Austin Homebrew Supply sells this model that I ordered yesterday: > **[Wort Chillers](https://austinhomebrew.com/collections/wort-chillers)** > > Choose from our selection of wort chillers and pre chillers to cooler your fresh wort to yeast pitching temperatures as quickly as possible The assembly on this one is solderless.  Had I discovered this in advance, I might have bought their kit for building this chiller: [http://www.austinhomebrew.com/Beer/Chillers/Counter-Flow-Wort-Chiller-Kit.html#.VEban\_nF98E](http://www.austinhomebrew.com/Beer/Chillers/Counter-Flow-Wort-Chiller-Kit.html#.VEban_nF98E) With this, all you need is the copper tubing and the hose.  20’ of soft 3/8 OD copper tubing here is $29 and then you would still need a garden hose.  So you could come in a few bux under the price of the finished chiller IF you don’t want to consider the time you have in assembling it. I’ll probably make a product review video of this chiller over the weekend.  I always like to test a new piece of equipment before I toss it into the production loop 🙂 I want to BREW the following weekend 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/13 "2014-10-21T22:36:21Z")
Does the AHBS version have the wire tacked on the outside of the inner tube for turbulence? ---
**Author:** ![58limited](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/58limited/32/7101_2.png) [@58limited](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/58limited)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/14 "2014-10-21T22:53:56Z")
Copper has a greater efficiency in heat transfer than stainless, but in a typical small-scale home brewing set up I’m not sure if that really matters. I haven’t checked prices in quite awhile but you can probably make your own chiller cheaper than buying a commercially made one. I made my own copper chiller back in college. I went to Lowe’s and bought 50’ of 3/8" copper tubing, formed it around one of my corny kegs to get the uniform round shape (I only used 30’ of the copper, the other 20’ I used to make a chiller coil that fits in an ice chest fitted with a tap to dispense kegged beer without a big trash can full of ice to chill the keg), and put a female garden hose compression fitting on one end (I lived in an old farmhouse and I ran the garden hose in the window of the bathroom, which was over the tub, and let the chiller drain into the bath tub). Later, I got a hand-held shower head and bought an adapter to hook the shower hose to the chiller. Seventeen years later and I’m still using it. One thing: Lowe’s had two different brands of 50’ long 3/8" dia. copper tubing and there was a $20.00 difference in the price. Both are basically identical: same length, diameter, and gauge; so I don’t know why the price was that different. I spent $32.00 on the tubing in 1998, probably a lot more now. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/15 "2014-10-21T22:56:54Z")
For sure a lot more now. I built a prechiller a few years back. Copper alone ran me $60 for 50 feet. ---
**Author:** ![jmsetzler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jmsetzler/32/11003_2.png) [@jmsetzler](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jmsetzler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/16 "2014-10-21T23:01:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Does the AHBS version have the wire tacked on the outside of the inner tube for turbulence? I don’t think so.  I looked at some of those and that was also what I was trying to build.  The price doubles on a pre-made one with that option. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/17 "2014-10-21T23:18:43Z")
> [@jmsetzler](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Does the AHBS version have the wire tacked on the outside of the inner tube for turbulence? > > I don’t think so.  I looked at some of those and that was also what I was trying to build.  The price doubles on a pre-made one with that option. Good to know. Bummer it adds so much. I seems like the second easiest part of the build. ---
**Author:** ![jmsetzler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/jmsetzler/32/11003_2.png) [@jmsetzler](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/jmsetzler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:24pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/18 "2014-10-21T23:24:41Z")
Wrapping the copper wire around the tubing and soldering it in place wasn’t so difficult.  It was time consuming though.  It WAS difficult to slide that through the hose though.  I had a difficult time getting it through 5/8" ID braided pvc hose. I’m not a physics or engineering major, but I’m not so sure that the copper wire wrap for ‘turbulence’ provides a SIGNIFICANT increase in performance of this type of chiller.  I think the best performance boost a counterflow chiller can get is by having cold water to pump through it.  I have a 50’ immersion chiller that I built a long time ago and during the warmer summer months when my ground water out of the spigot is 85°, I plan to use the immersion chiller in a cooler full of ice water as a pre-chiller for the water I’m pumping through the counterflow chiller. ---
**Author:** ![skatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/user_avatar/forum.homebrewersassociation.org/skatz/32/6982_2.png) [@skatz](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/skatz)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/19 "2014-10-21T23:27:23Z")
Also, let us know how you think it will hold up if recirculating for a while before turning on the water. I’d want to recirc for 5-10 minutes before flame out. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/1X/f1a2211dcb353b921ed70873794a31db2031eccc.png) [@system](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://forum.homebrewersassociation.org/t/wort-chillers-copper-vs-stainless-steel/17965/20 "2014-10-22T03:31:33Z")
> [@jmsetzler](#): > > Austin Homebrew Supply sells this model that I ordered yesterday: > > [http://www.austinhomebrew.com/Beer/Chillers/Counterflow-Wort-Chiller-25-Foot.html#.VEbac\_nF98E](http://www.austinhomebrew.com/Beer/Chillers/Counterflow-Wort-Chiller-25-Foot.html#.VEbac_nF98E) I built two counterflow chillers of that design using Watts EPDM rubber heater hose that is good to 212F.  One chiller is wound clockwise.  The other is wound counterclockwise.  They are designed to be stacked with tap water running through the top chiller and chilled water running through the bottom chiller.  The only difficult part in making a chiller of this design is drilling out the stops in the NPT to tube fittings.  A drill press and a drill press vise makes the job much easier.  I never use either of the chillers because an immersion chiller is so much easier to use, my tap water never gets above 65F, and I do not brew as much during the summer as I do during the winter. ![CounterFlowChillers_zps91c28ccc.jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/brewersassociation/original/2X/2/2967a1acd726fab058814123fac0c5402b7e8078.jpeg)