Can filler and seamer

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I think it would be logical to price them in terms of kegs. Perhaps something like “it cost me [the equivalent of] 400 kegs…”

[edvinjonsson]

@thirsty_monk

@kylekohlmorgen

Can I ask the approximate cost difference between the MC-50 and the MC-100 (with conveyor/lid dropper/seamer)?

Is that against forum rules?

Price of MC-50 is about one new minivan. Price of MC-100 is twice as much. Do not forget suppy (cans, lids, plates making, binders and trays) that is about another minivan.

But similar would go for bottling line. Moheen filler is about tvo minivans then you need labeled and supply.
Anyway you look into it it cost arm and leg.

You also have to get a buttload of cans don’t you? Who do you get them from?

Awesome cans btw!

[bluesman]

Movin’ on up Leos!  Very nice can design.

So…How many mini-vans away from being able to buy your beer in Delaware?

Congrats!

[thirsty_monk]

@bluesman

Movin’ on up Leos!  Very nice can design.

So…How many mini-vans away from being able to buy your beer in Delaware?

Congrats!

Ron,
You have to take a road trip to get my beer. I am not planning on shipping out of state. I think I can do quite well within the state. New Glarus is the example.

[thirsty_monk]

@edvinjonsson

@thirsty_monk

@kylekohlmorgen

Can I ask the approximate cost difference between the MC-50 and the MC-100 (with conveyor/lid dropper/seamer)?

Is that against forum rules?

Price of MC-50 is about one new minivan. Price of MC-100 is twice as much. Do not forget suppy (cans, lids, plates making, binders and trays) that is about another minivan.

But similar would go for bottling line. Moheen filler is about tvo minivans then you need labeled and supply.
Anyway you look into it it cost arm and leg.

You also have to get a buttload of cans don’t you? Who do you get them from?

Awesome cans btw!

My minimum is 8 pallets on cans and one pallet on lids. Lids will kill you thou.

In bottle market you also have minimums on six packs and mother cartons, labels and everybody wants to sell you truckload of bottles.

[edvinjonsson]

@thirsty_monk

@edvinjonsson

You also have to get a buttload of cans don’t you? Who do you get them from?

Awesome cans btw!

My minimum is 8 pallets on cans and one pallet on lids. Lids will kill you thou.

In bottle market you also have minimums on six packs and mother cartons, labels and everybody wants to sell you truckload of bottles.

8 Pallets is not that bad for printed cans, I thought you had to get a truckload. Does wild goose supply the cans too ?

[thirsty_monk]

No you buy them direct from supplier.
I think you can even buy Balls cans if you wanted to.
I used Crowns.

[klickitat_jim]

Out of pure curiosity, is there a manual canner for sub-nano brewer? Or a better question would be, how many cases of bottles (production level) until switching to cans makes sense?

[a10t2]

@klickitat_jim

Out of pure curiosity, is there a manual canner for sub-nano brewer?

There’s no such thing as a truly “manual” canner. The seaming is a fairly complicated operation and there’s really no way around that. I guess that at really tiny volumes you could fill the cans using a simple siphon setup and then seam them, but most people seem to end up with Ball’s Cask’s two-head filler. Until Wild Goose came on the market, anyway. I guess we’ll see what happens now.

@klickitat_jim

Or a better question would be, how many cases of bottles (production level) until switching to cans makes sense?

Economically, a semi-automated canning setup is actually less expensive than bottling, in both capital and per-unit costs. The two Ball Cask units, gently used, sell for about half a minivan 500 millivans.

[gmac]

@a10t2

@klickitat_jim

Out of pure curiosity, is there a manual canner for sub-nano brewer?

There’s no such thing as a truly “manual” canner. The seaming is a fairly complicated operation and there’s really no way around that. I guess that at really tiny volumes you could fill the cans using a simple siphon setup and then seam them, but most people seem to end up with Ball’s two-head filler. Until Wild Goose came on the market, anyway. I guess we’ll see what happens now.

@klickitat_jim

Or a better question would be, how many cases of bottles (production level) until switching to cans makes sense?

Economically, a semi-automated canning setup is actually less expensive than bottling, in both capital and per-unit costs. The two Ball units, gently used, sell for about half a minivan.

I had another thread going on a manual canner that I have a line on.  Still wish I could make it work but really, as Sean already told me, the seamer is the key and my guy won’t sell me just the seamer.  The used system is 3 times the cube root of 1/2 of 1/3 of a mini-van squared / 2 minivans (-456*the average annual rain fall in cubic centiliters).  Of course, these are Canadian mini-vans so you’d have to factor in the exchange rate (1 minivan = 2 1984 Ford F-150)

[edvinjonsson]

@a10t2

but most people seem to end up with Ball’s two-head filler.

Don’t you mean Cask?

@a10t2

Economically, a semi-automated canning setup is actually less expensive than bottling, in both capital and per-unit costs. The two Ball units, gently used, sell for about half a minivan.

The only issue with canning is the amount of cans you have to buy.

[a10t2]

@edvinjonsson

Don’t you mean Cask?

Yes! Thanks.

@edvinjonsson

The only issue with canning is the amount of cans you have to buy.

Only if you want them printed. You can get blank cans in basically any quantity, just like bottles.

[klickitat_jim]

Curiosity solved. Thanks!
Found another reason to stay the course of cornys and occasionally a few bottles

[pawtucket_patriot]

Very cool, Leos! Did WGE do the on-site setup/training?

[thirsty_monk]

Very cool, Leos! Did WGE do the on-site setup/training?

Not yet. I still do not have cans in the house.

[bluesman]

@thirsty_monk

@bluesman

Movin’ on up Leos!  Very nice can design.

So…How many mini-vans away from being able to buy your beer in Delaware?

Congrats!

Ron,
You have to take a road trip to get my beer. I am not planning on shipping out of state. I think I can do quite well within the state. New Glarus is the example.

The next time I travel your way, I will definitely stop in for a tour, and some of your great beer.