Gusher Infection?

[scarper11 (Pinski)]

@BrodyR

With soap?

I used automatic dishwasher detergent.

The process requires two passes through one’s dishwasher.  The first pass is made with automatic dishwasher detergent.  The second pass is made with only water and heat dry.  The second pass ensures that one’s bottles are residue free and sanitary, as bottle temperature exceeds 60C/140F (the temperature at which most vegetative cells are killed).  This technique only works if the people who live in one’s house rinse their dishes well before placing them into the dishwasher.  The dishwasher used in this process must clean, free of food debris, and empty before the second pass is made with only bottles on bottling day.  The first pass can be combined with the day’s dishes (i.e., as the bottles are used).  Beer must be rinsed from the bottles before they are placed into the dishwasher on the first pass.

I don’t do this anymore, but when I did just ran the bottles in a clean dishwasher with no soap on the “sanitize” setting. Single pass, no problems.

Now i just go with a hot rinse, scrub ifr necessary and sanitize with StarSan when i bottle. I don’t bottle all that much so it’s not that big of a chore.

[morticaixavier]

@gmac

Buy kegs, wash them with PBR, sanitize them with Star-San, put beer in them.

I know PBR us not great but will it actually clean a keg?

[theantipunk (jamminbrew)]

@morticaixavier

@gmac

Buy kegs, wash them with PBR, sanitize them with Star-San, put beer in them.

I know PBR us not great but will it actually clean a keg?

Lol… You beat me to it!

Before I started kegging, I would clean out my bottles as soon as I emptied them. And to sanitize, I would throw them in the oven the night before, at 250* for an hour. In 60 batches in the bottle, not one infection or gusher.

[jonhughey_att.net (HoosierBrew)]

I thought there must be some higher purpose for PBR. Worst tasting cleanser ever. 

[jonhughey_att.net (HoosierBrew)]

And I used to use the oven to sanitize bottles too before I started kegging.  If I bottle now, it’s usually with a Beer Gun.

[rodmanxxx]

Interesting. I just rinse by running tap water into the bottles and swirl and dump, do this about 4 times immediately after pouring the bottle into the glass. Then after a few hours or the next day, i pour out what little water is left in bottle and put it in the case upside down. Next bottling day I sanitize using a vinator bottling rinser, place bottles on sanitized bottom rack of dishwater to drain, then fill. Seems to work for me.

[fmader]

@gmac

@fmader

I soak bottles in oxiclean for several hours. Then the night before I bottle, I run them in the dishwasher on high heat with no sops to sanitize. I leave them in there until I bottle.

I’m sure that’ll work too.

I forgot that I also spray a couple shots of Starsan in the bottles too.

Indeed kegging is easier.

[klickitat_jim]

Do you guys dilute the PBR or just run it full strength

[morticaixavier]

@klickitat_jim

Do you guys dilute the PBR or just run it full strength

Full strength it’ll eat through the keg

[gmac]

@morticaixavier

@klickitat_jim

Do you guys dilute the PBR or just run it full strength

Full strength it’ll eat through the keg

Stupid fingers…PBW, not PBR. PBR is poisonous.

[jrdunne (Joe Sr.)]

And I used to use the oven to sanitize bottles too before I started kegging.  If I bottle now, it’s usually with a Beer Gun.

How does the beer gun change your bottle sanitation procedures?

[jonhughey_att.net (HoosierBrew)]

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And I used to use the oven to sanitize bottles too before I started kegging.  If I bottle now, it’s usually with a Beer Gun.
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How does the beer gun change your bottle sanitation procedures?

It doesn’t. Just that way back when I used to bottle batches I sanitized them all in the oven. Now , on the odd time that I bottle a few from the keg, the bottles get a good soak in Starsan , or sprayed thoroughly with it.

[jrdunne (Joe Sr.)]

[quote=“, post:32, topic:16363”]

And I used to use the oven to sanitize bottles too before I started kegging.  If I bottle now, it’s usually with a Beer Gun.
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How does the beer gun change your bottle sanitation procedures?

It doesn’t. Just that way back when I used to bottle batches I sanitized them all in the oven. Now , on the odd time that I bottle a few from the keg, the bottles get a good soak in Starsan , or sprayed thoroughly with it.

I was just being a d*ck.

[jonhughey_att.net (HoosierBrew)]

[quote=“, post:33, topic:16363”]

And I used to use the oven to sanitize bottles too before I started kegging.  If I bottle now, it’s usually with a Beer Gun.
[/quote

How does the beer gun change your bottle sanitation procedures?

It doesn’t. Just that way back when I used to bottle batches I sanitized them all in the oven. Now , on the odd time that I bottle a few from the keg, the bottles get a good soak in Starsan , or sprayed thoroughly with it.

I was just being a d*ck.

All good 

[troybinso]

When you guys use the dishwasher, how can you be sure that the spray is getting up in to the bottles? It seems like that is a pretty small hole for the spray to get all the way up in to.

[jrdunne (Joe Sr.)]

I don’t know about PBR, but back in the day Old Style was notorious for it’s ability to “clean the system.”

Old Pile, as it was affectionately known.

[fmader]

@troybinso

When you guys use the dishwasher, how can you be sure that the spray is getting up in to the bottles? It seems like that is a pretty small hole for the spray to get all the way up in to.

It has nothing to do with water. I’m not washing my bottles in the dishwasher. I wash them in the sink with oxiclean. It’s all about the heat of the dishwasher. The heat sanitizes the bottles.

[denny]

@fmader

@troybinso

When you guys use the dishwasher, how can you be sure that the spray is getting up in to the bottles? It seems like that is a pretty small hole for the spray to get all the way up in to.

It has nothing to do with water. I’m not washing my bottles in the dishwasher. I wash them in the sink with oxiclean. It’s all about the heat of the dishwasher. The heat sanitizes the bottles.

Be aware that heat sanitizing will shorten the reuse life of your bottles.  That may or may not matter to you.

[gmac]

@denny

@fmader

@troybinso

When you guys use the dishwasher, how can you be sure that the spray is getting up in to the bottles? It seems like that is a pretty small hole for the spray to get all the way up in to.

It has nothing to do with water. I’m not washing my bottles in the dishwasher. I wash them in the sink with oxiclean. It’s all about the heat of the dishwasher. The heat sanitizes the bottles.

Be aware that heat sanitizing will shorten the reuse life of your bottles.  That may or may not matter to you.

They really get that hot?  I wouldn’t have guessed that.  I do think that there is a big difference between the bottles used in the US and the ones used in Canada.  We’ve had beer bottle re-use by the big breweries for years, I’m unsure if the US does the same but I think our bottles are thicker and they seem thicker when I look at them in order to be re-used more frequently.

[denny]

@gmac

They really get that hot?  I wouldn’t have guessed that.  I do think that there is a big difference between the bottles used in the US and the ones used in Canada.  We’ve had beer bottle re-use by the big breweries for years, I’m unsure if the US does the same but I think our bottles are thicker and they seem thicker when I look at them in order to be re-used more frequently.

The theory is that the repeated heating and cooling induces stress fractures.  No personal experience, but that’s what I’ve heard from people who do it.