How long until this thread gets locked?
This is getting dangerously close to political and I may end up deleting this response, but you;d be hard pressed to prove the bolded part.
It could be soon…
I apologize for bringing politics into this, Denny. I should have refrained from posting on this thread from the get-go. I’ll keep my politics to myself in the future.
Thanks. If you do that, it will be easier for me to do the same!
I’m all for zero tolerance with randomly located check points, and immediate execution of all violators.
Political flame of the day. Throwing myself on the grenade so Denny won’t feel bad giving this thread gone wild the axe
Good save. I honestly think this is a good topic to discuss sans politics. I’m all for the google cars thing. Then there’s no worries regardless. Let the computer drive. 
Now that digs up an entirely new can of worms…
A good old fashioned society reboot would help. Maybe a year with no electronic technology would save us. Or go go Google everything
When my Dad was a kid in a small rural community one guy would drive his wagon in on Saturday night. This wagon was pulled by a horse. He would give the horse some hay and oats, make sure it had water and then go to one of the bars. At the end of the night the farmers friends would dump him in the wagon and untie the horse. The horse would go home on it’s own and the guy’s wife would wake him up and he would unhook the horse put it back in the barn. The next morning they would drive the car into town for Mass.
It would be really funny to know if his horse was named Goggle. And if the Patent Office would consider that prior art? ;D
Paul
Does anyone here even have a legitimate breathalyzer?
I bought one a few years ago to keep myself safe and legal and I was absolutely surprised at where 0.08 was. Sometimes it’s two beers, usually three session beers and it’s even been one IIPA on an empty stomach. Point is, when you’re drinking you usually underestimate your true level.
I saw an add on sensor on smart phone. Not sure how well it worked.
I bought one awhile back specifically for brew club meetings. It’s pretty much the only time when I drink anything and drive. I try to limit myself to the equivalent of about 3 beers in two hours and that puts me well under the 0.08 limit, but although I’m usually below 0.05 I’d be pretty wary about it if that was the limit.
It is surprising how quickly the BAC racks up.
I worked as a letter carrier for awhile and the best part of the training was the driving instruction. We spent time in class and on the road with instructors. It was pretty eye-opening after having been licensed for 15+ years.
Of course I still took the door off a postal vehicle one day because of the ridiculous built-in blindspot on the Grumman LLV :-[ A utility pole can completely disappear behind the side view mirrors.
The NTSB can recommend away but each state would have to change their own laws. In the end, if the per se amount was .05 it would really only apply in blood draw scenarios like vehicle assault or hom. It is not always easy to detect below .08 on the street. Plus the SFST battery is designed for .08 so until the science is there it wouldn’t change much.
If you are a light weight and can’t walk at <.08 you’ll go to jail anyway… 08 is just the per se limit. You can still be guilty at <.08 right now if you are impaired
yes but if the federal government puts their weight behind this, then the states will follow suit. Michigan just approved to extend the 0.08 limit this year. It was set to lapse this fall and revert back to the 0.10 law it used to be. If the state would have let it lapse, they would lose millions of dollars in federal funding. Money talks.
you can’t legislate safety… its all about control/money.
‘If the self-driving car isn’t safe enough, set it up like a drone where someone somewhere else could take control if needed or the whole time if required.’
That is a seriously scary response/suggestion… There are already WAY to many ‘things’ controling us… we don’t need any more!
It would be voluntary - you could switch it off. If you don’t like the service, don’t use it.
And btw, it’s not controlling you, it’s controlling the car.
of course you can legislate safety. you can’t force everyone to listen. It is a legal requirement that all cars have seatbelts. seatbelts save lives.
Its nice to see my comrads are so obedient to the state! 
Cars on roads are the one thing I don’t gripe too much about regs. Its an earned privilege to drive on public roads, not a right. So “They” can regulate away on that.
But for most other aspects of life I am a bit more nihilistic.