What does “craft beer” mean to you?

I agree 1000%
The size of the company / brewery has nothing to do with whether a beer is a “craft” product.  I have always felt this way.

Both the artisan brewers and the big brewers  can and do make products that are a cut above  ‘average’ beer.  The main difference is that the bigger brewers are still devoting much of their production to making the kind of beer that the vast majority of beer drinkers still want,  alongside efforts to make more products of real distinction than in the past. 
We used to complain when they didn’t make that effort.  But now they are making that effort, and in some cases doing it very well.  Just because they use bigger kettles doesn’t negate the craft of it.

I agree… I don’t like the “fizzy yellow lager” description that people tend to use.

Beer produced by the most rudimentary methods available(I may be stretching the definition here) . If there is a ton of automation and computers involved there is no craft. But if a brewer has a couple of pumps, a diverter panel, a bunch of hoses and vessels, and has to manually switch pumps, connections and heat on and off I would lean towards craft. If a brewer has an electric touch screen or mouse driven point and click system, not so much.

Thats a VERY short list… might even leave off a few homebrewers  :stuck_out_tongue:

If a home brewer uses automation are they no longer considered part of the craft movement?  IMO automation does not relate to the status of one being a craft brewer or not.

::cough:: Claudius ::cough::
…Speaking of “fizzy yellow lager”  ;D

Lets talk about what craft beer “isn’t”. Certainly Bud Light is not craft beer. Neither is Pabst Blue Ribbon. But what about “Blue Moon”? What about the other “craft beer knock offs” that BMC rolls out?

What about Sam Adams? Are they really considered “craft” beer?

The idea of “Craft Beer” is that these beers were “hand crafted” - or at least brewed in small batches. A lot of “craft beers” out there are brewed in monster size batches and, technically, aren’t really craft beers any longer. That doesn’t mean the beer isn’t great. But is it really “craft beer”?

I’ll tell you what appeals to me more than the idea of “Craft beer”. LOCAL BEER. That’s what I want to see more of. I still appreciate SA and SN, and am thankful to have them as a choice when few other choices are available. But, to me, LOCAL beer is more interesting than “craft” beer.

A beer whose inspiration stems from the imagination and skill of the brewer, not some advertising or market research group.

SO this!

The following are some concepts related to craft beer and craft brewers: as defined by the brewers association.

Craft brewers are small brewers.

Small brewers are defined as those who qualify for the Tax and Trade Bureau’s small brewers excise tax differential by producing less than 2 million barrels annually.

The hallmark of craft beer and craft brewers is innovation. Craft brewers interpret historic styles with unique twists and develop new styles that have no precedent.

Craft beer is generally made with traditional ingredients like malted barley; interesting and sometimes non-traditional ingredients are often added for distinctiveness.

Craft Brewers tend to be very involved in their communities through philanthropy, product donations, volunteerism, and sponsorship of events.

Craft Brewers have distinctive, individualistic approaches to connecting with their customers.

Craft Brewers maintain integrity by what they brew and their general independence, free from a substantial interest by a non-craft brewer.

The majority of Americans live within ten miles of a craft brewer.

I think the characteristics that stand out most to me are innovation and the general use of traditional ingredients, but the one thing that I think really sets craft brewers apart from the BMC’s is that the majority of Americans live within ten miles of a craft brewer.

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Easy there! What if you live in St.Louis?  :-X

Guess what was meant was Local Craft beer.  :wink:

Taking it to a more worldwide stage, I guess I’m more into appreciating “good” beer than “craft” beer, as such.  There are plenty of huge, efficient, corporate-y breweries in Germany that to my taste can produce much better weizen than a dozen craft brewers in the US picked at random.  I guess I’m violating the “local” thing too!

I’ve done in depth tours of my local brewery, Boulevard, which some might call a maker of “craft beer”, but I imagine they are much like every other brewery of that size in the country…a large efficient manufacturing company, despite the marketing designed to make them appear artisanal.  I don’t hold that against them.  They just happen to cater, in their production, to my tastes, as opposed to BMC, who cater to the taste of a somewhat broader market.

+1

I think a craft beer is any that’s been “crafted”, by a brewer, to taste. I don’t think the size of the brewery, or the style of the beer, has anything to do with it. It’s only when marketability or profitability starts to dictate the recipe that it ceases to be a “crafted” product.

So I couldn’t choose any of the poll options, because I think a light lager with a high proportion of adjuncts can be a craft beer.

The real problem is that the beer geek world is constantly searching to cram multiple attribute assessments into a single binary: Either it IS “craft beer,” and therefore worth drinking, or it IS NOT.

So the problem is with both the principle and the native semantics of the chosen name. There is disagreement among “good beer” drinkers over what metrics define the binary, as well as whether or not the idea of defining beer binarily makes sense, not to mention individual differences in taste that causes divides over whether a particular beer IS or IS NOT.

Then you have the semantic problem - “Craft” actually means something, and when you try to tag a noun with it, you more or less expect that it will continue to mean pretty much the same thing it did before. And so the arguments about production methods and barrels-per-year and multi-million-dollar ad campaigns begin. None of which are particularly relevant to the beer itself.

I would propose that instead of trying to conflate all of our myriad passions about beer into one slippery metric, we should instead think of a better, more complex model to define our world. A well-crafted model for more sophisticated mental palates, if you will.

If I were to take a stab at it, it would look something like this: There are brewing companies, brewers, and beer.

Starting with the premise that the beer comes first in all of this, let’s say that within beer, there is a subset called “Commodity Lager,” and another called “Good Beer.” In a Venn diagram, there would be some overlap between the two, and “Good Beer” would NOT encompass everything that is NOT “Commodity Lager.” In other words, there can be Commodity Lagers that can be considered good by virtue of being, well, the best of the worst (Heineken draft?) - and there can be beers that are not CL but also just not good.

So let’s say we have a Beer. We have decided it is a Good Beer, and not a Commodity Lager. The temptation now is to slip back into old patterns of thinking and call this a Craft Beer. I say don’t. Call it what it is. Call it Good Beer. Save “Craft” for the brewer, who is either the sort who constantly innovates for the purpose of crafting new beers, or the sort who is mainly focused on consistently producing the same beers over and over, flawlessly.

Brewing companies, often inextricable from brewers in our minds but very different entities, can come in all sizes. Large, Medium, and Small should be adequate descriptions. Throw in some descriptors for things like community involvement and corporate philosophy and we should start to see a workable language emerge. A bit of codification and we should be able to come up with some reasonably agreeable terms for the most common combinations.

Good god I’ve just run on at the mouth. Oh well, feel free to ignore me.

Even though I voted for the 4th choice (A beer with real and elevated flavor profiles more distinct than typical light American or International lagers made by a SMALL BREWERY), I’m not sure the size of the brewery is a huge factor.

Having said that - I don’t consider Guiness to be a Craft Brewery - the flavor and dedication to a good product is there, but age and size of the brewery just doesn’t fit the ‘craft brewery’ profile in my mind. A craft brewer in my mind is one that is trying to expose the public to what beer can be and what it used to be before the market was inundated with fizzy yellow water.

A craft beer is a beer created for the love of the product, not for the love of the profit it might make.

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Mr Kotter, I’ve got it!

Craft beer = no bikini’s or mud wrestling in their ads

But… I like bikini’s and mud wrestling.  :-[

Maybe it’s as simple as “if you have an _ite, or _ight type beer in your lineup - you are no longer a craft brewer” because there’s no way it’s about making good beer anymore.