I realize that. But if homebrewers were pushing for a law that the California Craft Brewers Association was opposed to? Would AHA support homebrewers and the BA support the pro brewers? That seems awkward and unlikely to happen. My guess is we would not be supported. Ultimately the allegiance is to the pro brewers.
I am going to chime in on this as well from an informational standpoint. To go to the last few posts first, the AHA does provide a lot of help with changing state laws with regard to homebrewing. I have first hand knowledge of this with what I am trying to do here in Ohio. That said, “help will always be given [by the AHA] to those who ask for it” (to coin a phrase). When I started the work to change the law in Ohio with regard to transporting and serving homebrew, I got Gary Glass involved and he provided a lot of advice and guidance. John Moorehead is now taking the lead at the AHA on this and has been extremely helpful. But the AHA will not itself initiate legislation in states like Ohio. We homebrewers here have to start it as we tend to have a bit more clout being residents of these states that need laws modified than the AHA does.
Secondly, with regard to the Best Beers in America thing in Zymurgy, if it doesn’t interest you, don’t read it (as others have said). I use the information in the article to search out a lot of these beers and try them. I sometimes get ideas for a new beer here in my homebrewery. I also get ideas at beerfests. Many times I can do something new that my wife, my friends, and I enjoy. Just my $0.02.
Well I’m not sure what condition might not be in both of our interests, but I suppose it could happen. Under that condition, I would say you have to follow the money. We homebrewers are out of luck.
In my terms on the AHA Governing Committee, I’ve noted that BA and its members are solidly behind AHA and homebrewers. However, I don’t believe its under the assumption that we’ll be future craftbrewers. I believe its because we tend to be the pulse of craftbrewing and innovation and we are great craftbeer consumers and advocates. In other words, BA members are supporting their best customers.
Regarding who needs who…more, I don’t believe that either does need the other. We would get by fine separately. But there is great synergy in our pairing and it was the creation of AHA that enabled Charlie P. to forge his craftbrewing alliances and acquisitions that now form BA. Overall, I’m very happy that AHA is part of the BA team.
By the way, BA does underwrite AHA operations. AHA does far more for homebrewers with the help of BA.
It’s my fault for not being more specific. I should have said there’s nothing they can do about them on their own. They certainly can support local groups.
I don’t think you can make a blanket statement like that. Do you have an example in mind?
My .02: You have certain members that have an issue with certain annual features. Don’t I recall taking a poll a while back where questions pertaining to content were addressed? If I’m not dreaming, why not use that polling information to address the issue? If the majority like it, keep it. If not, dump it. When the question comes up instead of ‘ignore it’ the answer can become ‘50+% of our members like it so we should probably keep it.’
I know a few years ago in CA when homebrewers were legally allowed to pour at charity beer festivals it came with several stipulations. One of which was that homebrew and commercial beers shall not share the same space. I remember listening to one of the San Diego NHC presentations with the President of the California Craft Beer Assoc. I thought he said that was something they wanted that stipulation so that the consumer wouldn’t be “confused” between commercial beers and homebrewed beers. I also remember reading somewhere that the BA pretty much goes along with whatever the state guild of professional brewers wants. It makes sense. They are protecting their business interests. And the BA/AHA are protecting their largest income stream…professional brewers. It used to bug me but now…not so much. At least in CA I think we are too the point where no one cares what you do with your homebrew within reason.
That direction wasn’t from Tom and company at the CCBA, those conditions were actually from the CA ABC Director. The ABC has been very clear that their primary goals, in regards to homebrew, are to prevent homebrewers from collecting money on untaxed beer, prevent confusion in the collection/service of beer on licensed premises and make sure the public is painfully aware when they’re going to be served homebrew.
Part of this is that the state, rightfully, tends to look with a jaundiced eye towards anyone trying to pull a dodge around the control systems in place. What really dug the ABC’s feet in place originally was in the great “Kickstarter” phase of brewing startups, they discovered homebrewers who were serving homebrewed beer at festivals while starting breweries to drum up interest and get the name out there. That’s a serious no-no and a painfully stupid move to make as a would be licensee, but never doubt that people will try and work the system as much as they can.
There are some legitimate gripes here, but I’ll say that I do appreciate that 1) many homebrewers want to become professional brewers, and 2) the goal of encouraging this by the AHA/BA back when there were absolutely none in the US was a noble one. Perhaps it has outgrown this role in the current climate?
While never having a Kickstarter I totally served homebrew at various charity events when I really wanted to open a brewery. I would sell merchandise to cover my costs. So happy that now I can do it legally even though I have almost zero aspirations to own a brewery.
My two cents on this topic. I don’t care that the AHA is in cahoots with the craft brewers. My annoyance is more with the disdain for the factory brewers that both groups seem to share (well, the craft brewers until they sell out ;)). What so awful about some craft brewer selling out to the big boys? What’s so awful about shopping at Northern Brewer?
Truth be told, I spend more money on PBR and Coors than I do on craft beer. There sure seems to be a lot of IPAs being made with nasty tasting hops.
I believe you are in the same minority as me, as I groused about in post #15. I raise a glass of fine, sparkling lager to you. Don’t care who made it.
Yes, and I tasted a surprisingly large number of them last week at CBC, whooda thunkit?
FWIW, the AHA outgrew their offices in the BA building and moved a few blocks down the street.
It’s certainly debatable, but here in Colorado we recently legalized full-strength beer sales in grocery stores, gas stations, etc. after years of opposition by lobbying groups including the BA. If you’re willing to make the assumption that AHA members’ views were aligned with the general public, then the BA and AHA were in conflict on the bill.
I’d totally forgotten about the move. As to the law, I have no idea…
IIRC, the BA needed more room.
Maybe the AHA got better parking out of the deal? Parking at the BA offices was, well, interesting.
On the topic of BA & AHA and Best Beers in America, I think a little history might be helpful.
We’re now on the 17th rendition of the Best Beers in America AHA member poll. The idea for the poll originated with Ray Daniels, who was then editor-in-chief of Zymurgy magazine. That first Best Beers feature appeared in the July/August 2003 issue, two years before the Brewers Association was established. Back then the AHA was part of the Association of Brewers, which was created by Charlie Papazian in the early 1980s.
Ray’s point in creating the poll is still true today:
“The premise of this exercise was that you, the Zymurgy reader, brew beer. Therefore, you not only drink beer on a regular basis, you also know how it’s made and what’s good and bad in beer flavor…you keep an eye on what the commercial producers are doing and you know who’s getting it right.”
The fact that it is homebrewers who are voting is what makes this poll stand out from any other rating system out there.
That’s why our Best Beers in America results get picked up by media outlets nationwide every year. In fact, nothing else that we do all year long gets more media attention for homebrewing and the AHA than the results of Best Beers in America poll. That drives traffic to the HomebrewersAssociation.org. Most of that traffic is from non-homebrewers, which means we’re exposing a whole lot of non-brewers to all of the resources we provide for getting people started in homebrewing.
So, promoting homebrewing is a big part of the why we do it. The part that’s more directly aimed at benefiting the members of the AHA, other than the results themselves, is that the poll results let us know what clone recipes are of greatest interest to our members. Those recipes are among the most popular content we provide to members.
It’s not at all surprising that some members aren’t interested in the results of the poll. I’m sure that’s true of pretty much every feature we publish. It’s hard to create content that appeals to every reader. However, I sincerely hope that readers aren’t ditching the entire July/August issue just because they aren’t interested in one feature in that issue.
Thank you for that perspective on the survey. I’ll pay more attention to it.
And if the most discerning of consumers really appear not to appreciate the sort of beers I’m enthusiastic about, I should once and for all put away any lingering thoughts of going pro, and just start yelling at kids to get off my lawn.
Definitely second the thanks to Gary for chiming in. As far as where the craft beer industry is headed, though, I’d say the climate for brewers to specialize has never been better. It seems like everywhere I go (in decent-size cities) there are breweries doing all or mostly lager, or IPA, only wood-aged, only sours, etc.
So maybe classic (or other) styles aren’t well represented in surveys simply because they aren’t widely available, but there might still be a market? That would suggest that trends are driven more by the industry (brewers, distributors, somebody) than consumer demand, and consumers just follow. I’ve heard suggestions to this effect, but I just don’t know how to assess this.