Brown ale.

What’s the best mash pH for a hopped up brown ale?
I usually shoot for 5.4 for my IPA and Pale ales.

close enough.  Maybe 5.3

I have like 5.4 for these especially if you have a decent amount of roasted malt (ie chocolate) and/or munich.

Not a lot, recipe (janet’s brown)
has about 4% chocolate 350L and 8% crystal 40L.
Any thoughts on replacing the 6% wheat with chocolate rye?

Thanks guys.

I assume the wheat you are referring to is chocolate wheat? I love chocolate rye so I say go for it.

I normally shoot for a mash pH of 5.6 for brown ales but I brew on the malty spectrum of the style. Dark and bitter/hoppy are two things that usually don’t go well (outside of wookey jack :'() together for me

No sir, the recipe says white wheat or pale wheat. Assuming the wheat in the recipe is for head retention and body I was thinking of the choc rye for; head retention, body and another dimension of roast/chocolate flavor.

Sounds good to me either way. That should up the roast character for sure.

Thanks. It will depend in what my LHBS has in stock.

Stuck with the original grain recipe.
They had Northern Brewer but not cascade or centennial. I chose Palisade instead, we will see how it turns out.

Denny please school me on why you would go 5.3

Thanks.

Per Mr Brungard: “Achieving a mash pH that is within a tenth or two of the desired target can produce acceptable results.  General suggestions for mashing pH targets are provided in the table below.  As can be seen in the table, mashing pH has multiple impacts and the brewer can tailor the pH to enhance certain goals. Be aware that other factors beyond pH can affect character. The pH only helps achieve that character”

Suggested Mashing pH Targets (room-temp measurement):

More fermentable wort with less body 
5.3 to 5.4

Less fermentable wort with more body
5.4 to 5.5

More sharpness or tartness in beer
5.1 to 5.2

Lighter-colored beers 5.3 to 5.4

Darker-colored beers 5.4 to 5.6

Hop-focused beers 5.3 to 5.5

Malt-focused beers 5.2 to 5.3

Another $0.02 - Along the lines of Martin’s guidelines, I like 5.5pH for American Brown ale, to soften the impact of the roasted malt. I like the addition of the chocolate but like it not to be overly assertive in brown ale. At the same time, hop character is not diminished in my version of Janet’s Brown in the slightest @ 5.5  .

Because I’m pragmatic and it’s close enough.  I might not necessarily shoot for it, but I’d accept it.  I guess that really doesn’t answer your original question, though.

Because Denny said so is good enough for me. I hope you have a nice day Denny.

You, too, sir!

I’m with Denny on the 5.3 choice for a brown ale, hoppy or otherwise. The only time I like an increased pH is when I want to enhance the perception of roast character in something like a stout or porter. Most other ales fall in the 5.3-5.4 range, and I’m finding myself enjoying the ones on the lower side of that range better.

Personally, I feel a higher pH softens and rounds out roast character in my beers, as opposed to enhancing it. I get more of a sharp, acrid thing from roast malts at low pH. Regardless, we’re just talking about a moderate chocolate addition in a brown ale anyway, so the pH wouldn’t be as big an issue either way.

Reminds of last year when i first started looking into water chemistry. This was before i knew about Bru n water or ez water. I used a 5.2 stabelizer in an oatmeal stout, it tasted like chewing on a lump of charcoal. Bad memories.

In my recipe (Site Not Found) there is no real roast malt and just a bit of chocolate.  I prefer the very slightly lower pH for it.

Yeah, I agree that the chocolate is pretty negligible in brown. I was more saying that, in general, a higher pH softens roast character IMO. Obviously not too much roast here. I just like mine at 5.5 a little better.