I just unsealed a new 32oz bottle of Star San to replace the 32oz bottle I’ve used for about a year and a half. Something I noticed immediately is that solutions made from this bottle of Star San cloud over much more rapidly than those made from the previous.
From my previous bottle I was getting shelf life of about a week with a covered, mixed-up batch of SS (1oz to 5 gal water). But solutions made from this latest bottle cloud over within a day (even when in a covered container or spray bottle).
Since Star San’s pH (and therefore microbe-killing power) can be roughly judged by the clarity of the solution, I’m forced to consider changing my sanitizer habits to include discarding fresh but hazy solution and mixing batches more frequently.
BTW, the labels look legit and product was purchased from a reputable retailer.
Anybody else out there seeing a change in recent batches of Star San? I’m pretty sure that my water didn’t change that much over the course of a few weeks.
I have heard recently, I think from Denny, that the cloudiness = higher pH is not really all that accurate. If you have the ability to test pH that is your best bet for figuring out if the star san is still good.
I mix mine with tap water so it clouds over almost immediatly but still seems to work (fingers crossed, no infections yet)
This is very interesting because I am in exactly the same boat as you. I suddenly noticed that my buckets cloud over very quickly, like within an hour or two, whereas before it would go for several days before clouding up. I also switched to a new 32 oz bottle. I didn’t think to associate it with the StarSan. I had assumed that the mineral content of my water had changed going from winter into spring, or whatever the seasons were at the time.
I haven’t noticed a change and I just got a new bottle recently. But as others have said above, with tap water mine clouds up almost instantly. I’ll use cloudy starsan solution for an entire brewday but I’ll discard after that. I have tested the pH and it stays below 3 as long as I’m using it for so I’m not worried about it.
For the solution I store in a keg and keep long term I use distilled. I also keep a gallon jug of distilled water solution around for general tasks between brews and it stays crystal clear for months.
If you are in the midwest your water is changing quickly this year. The rivers are down to very low levels and in many places more ground water from deeper wells is being used. Our mineral contents is going up quite a bit right now. Hopefully the drought (going on 8-10 years now) will end, or at least abate, soon and we can get some water back in the rivers.
Exactly. Clouding of StarSan solution is due to hardness in the water. Using distilled, RO, or even ion-exchange softened water will solve the clouding ‘problem’. Its not really a problem.
My issue with storing it for longer periods of time is it develops a film. The bucket and anything sitting in it over night or for 12 hours will develop this film that is very slippery. It probably doesn’t hurt anything but it discolors my tubing if I forget and leave it in the solution.
When I make it with distilled water it stays cloud-free as you’d expect. It just struck me interesting that when I make it with tap water it clouds up much much quicker than before, and just like mugwort this seemed to have happened coincidentally after using a new 32oz bottle.
Does StarSan lose its acidity over time in storage and perhaps the stuff in my old bottle was “old”? It takes me a very long time to go through a 32oz bottle.
I notice little fiber-like particles floating in my starsan once in a while. I kinda wonder if that’s a bad thing…
I also use RO and don’t get cloudiness often. I mix it pretty strong in a clear growler.
This thread has a quote from a StarSan employee stating the solution must have a pH below 3.5 AND be clear. Cloudiness indicates the surfactant has reacted with minerals in the water and become ineffective. The surfactant renders more permeable the cell walls of the unwanted flora, and the low pH then kills them.
Thanks everyone for the input, especially ajk for that link to the thread with the additional Star San info.
In this case of an immediate, drastic change in the time-to-clouding observed from one bottle of SS to the next, all I can suppose there is some appreciable difference between the two batches of Star San that I own. How and why they came to be different is unknown.
What I do know now is that I need to change my usage practices. I’ll immediately start with the suggestion of using distilled water to mix up solutions that go into my spray bottles or in any situation in which I wish to keep the mix beyond a day.
If that’s true, I might consider switching back to Iodophor for everything. I sanitize my kegs with star san and push it out with CO2 to purge all the oxygen, and by the second keg it’s already cloudy. I have relatively soft water (Ca 28, HCO3 59), and I’m not going to buy 5 gallons of distilled water just for sanitizing.
That five gallons with distilled will last for a long time though if you keep it around. I do the same thing and always have one keg filled with starsan.
I use “softened” water (from my Culligan system). I keep the mixed StarSan solution in a corny keg, and it lasts for anywhere from weeks to months. A solution made with distilled water would surely last even longer.