commerical schwarzbier examples

General Homebrew Discussion
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KCCO black lager is practically available nationally. Contract brewed by Red Hook. Never tried it.

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A lot of decent Black lagers out there, but some get roasty and not to style…I like a nice clean black lager, not a Baltic Porter light.

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I will admit that mine, while not a porter is still just a touch more “chocolatey” than is probably appropriate to style.

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Which is probably why you like Monschof better than Kostritzer.

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Good point!

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Koestritzer was always on at our favorite Pizza place in Wiesbaden, and was a change up from the usual Koenig Pils.

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Thanks for that, the beer at the talk was great. It is on the list to brew soon. Could yeast differences be part of what you say?

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Oh man Wiesbaden! I lived about 15 minutes from there and frequented often. Great memories.

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Jack’s Abby “Jack’s Evil Brew”. This is from a Massachusetts brewer.

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I am surprised Prost doesn’t make one but I do not believe they have one in their line up.

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Here’s that glass set I was telling you about Jeff.

And another favorite das schwarze from schwaben brau.

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The Koestritzer glass, had many a beer out of those.

Where were you at in the area?

I lived on the east side of Wiesbaden, worked in Ruesselsheim.

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Yes I know the area. I live in bad kreuznach…while not deployed that is.

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I’ve got that Kostriker glass too. Unfortunately I think it has a chip in the rim.

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Bummer. I bought 12 of them in Germany, so hopefully have at least 6 when I’m 90.

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Mine has a chip at the base.

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I really question the yeast to be the issue. I think it could be that I used 20L munich instead od 15L that he suggest. I also used blackprinz instead of  Carafa but not much different.  I was just not a fan of that much melanoidin with the combo of munich.

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IMO the blac prinz is fine. It makes a nice carafa substitution though I think I may prefer the midnight wheat, which is a little less flavor forward.

I definitely think you can skip the Melanoidin. I never use that malt any more. If I want more Munich flavor I add more Munich. Not sure I am a fan of the Melanoidin flavor.

Personally, I think the Munich percentage can be a bit higher.

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Had my first Kostriker last night. I enjoyed it and it was good to finally have an authentic German example. It was very good and I was surprised at how light and drinkable it was. I was excited to see how mine stacked up in a side by side.

The main differences that I could find is that mine is slightly sweeter, more chocolatey, and just more smooth all around. The colors are pretty much identical. Mine is almost 1% higher in ABV which I think just gives it more oomph. It appears that mine is not quite as dry and crisp as it should be but I still think it turned out great especially for being my first lager. I have 9 oz in caramunich in there which could probably be removed or come down. I should maybe mash lower to drop the FG a bit as well. The 7 oz of midnight wheat seems to be appropriate.

Now I need to move on to some other good authentic German beers which has become my thing lately. I am thinking finding a good pils is in order… Sorry this thread should probably be in commercial beer reviews. I will start my German Pils thread in there

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If you haven’t had it pick up Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel.  You can thank me later.  [emoji3]