Enartis

[skatz (Stevie)]

But those esters from wine must may or may not be present when fermenting apple or other juice. Esters requires precursors and those precursors will vary from fruit to fruit.

Keeping a 500g brick free of contamination will be a challenge.

[Sasha]

But those esters from wine must may or may not be present when fermenting apple or other juice. Esters requires precursors and those precursors will vary from fruit to fruit.

Keeping a 500g brick free of contamination will be a challenge.

I am pretty sure when they suggest “Neutral grapes” they are pretty much just saying “all you need is sugar”. Maybe not, but you can make Benzos from sugar (there is a Glucose or Fructose to Benzo something recipe that a Doctor in the EU released), so you can make a lot of stuff from sugar. It has a big ring already formed and everything, like a Phenol or a Benzene or a Indole. Sugar just doesn’t have the tail.

And Esters are usually just Acids and Benzenes, and there is Malic Acid in Apples, and the same sugar as grapes has. Grapes have Tartaric Acid, Citric Acids and Malic Acid. So in the “Apple, Pear, Flower” trio, maybe the fact that there is only one Acid may effect the presence of each one of the 3, but one of them (I am assuming Apple, from the Malic Acid) should be present “intensely” like it claims.

And there were no reviews that I could find online, but in the profile they posted of the Yeast, there were quotes (customer testimony) from Cider making companies in Italy, and all kinds of companies. Not just Wineries.

[skatz (Stevie)]

Do what you want bro, but that’s a big shell out with little practical reviews. I’d recommend starting with the packets you can get from your LHBS, but obviously you know more than us.

[Sasha]

Plus, I am still getting a Cider Yeast from Austin Texas. So I will have a yeast specifically meant for Cider. I just have not ordered that yet, I already ordered from Enartis, so I thought I would share everything I found about it, then take pictures when it gets here, then show everyone how it works out.

[Sasha]

Do what you want bro, but that’s a big shell out with little practical reviews. I’d recommend starting with the packets you can get from your LHBS, but obviously you know more than us.

It’s not bad. I am growing Tobacco and Peppers and all kinds of other plants right now also, and I don’t want to use something that everyone already uses, and I don’t think many men are interested in Esters like I am. So it may not make sense to someone that Brews beer and when they hear the word “Ferment” they think “Beer”.

[skatz (Stevie)]

Yeah, men don’t like esters. [emoji53]

[system]

Yeah, men don’t like esters. [emoji53]

I personally don’t like Alices or Maggies but YMMV.

[Sasha]

And btw, the Cider I am getting is Mangrove Jack M02. So much more common. Also 500g though. The WS and ES 123 are going to be for Wine and Champagne though.

M02 goes to about 12%, ES 123 goes to about 14%, and WS goes to about 18%. So I could even use all 3. And I want to breed those with another Species, and some Trappist Yeast and Banana Yeast.

[goschman (Iliff Ave)]

@Sasha

And btw, the Cider I am getting is Mangrove Jack M02. So much more common. Also 500g though. The WS and ES 123 are going to be for Wine and Champagne though.

M02 goes to about 12%, ES 123 goes to about 14%, and WS goes to about 18%. So I could even use all 3. And I want to breed those with another Species, and some Trappist Yeast and Banana Yeast.

Where does one find banana yeast? Is that what you are using to make your Banana beer/champagne grog?

[Sasha]

@goschman

@Sasha

And btw, the Cider I am getting is Mangrove Jack M02. So much more common. Also 500g though. The WS and ES 123 are going to be for Wine and Champagne though.

M02 goes to about 12%, ES 123 goes to about 14%, and WS goes to about 18%. So I could even use all 3. And I want to breed those with another Species, and some Trappist Yeast and Banana Yeast.

Where does one find banana yeast? Is that what you are using to make your Banana beer/champagne grog?

No, I am going to use the Wine and Champagne Yeast for the Bananas. Banana Yeast is the Belgian ones. I have a list.

Banana Yeasts (Ferment Warm, 70-ish)

SafAle WB-06 Wheat Beer Dry Yeast - Fermentis

https://www.mibrewsupply.com/wyeast-3068-weihenstephan-weizen-yeast?gclid=CL7NibSo3dQCFcGGaQodQ4YAPw
https://www.williamsbrewing.com/WLP300-HEFEWEIZEN-ALE-YEAST-P2957.aspx?gclid=CPCv64Kp3dQCFViewAodcIsAfA
https://www.mibrewsupply.com/white-labs-wlp320-american-hefe-ale-yeast?gclid=CLv5-8Cp3dQCFYO6wAodUuAICA

Wyeast 1214 Belgian Abbey Yeast

[skatz (Stevie)]

Yeast don’t really breed easily. They are primarily asexual and reproduce via budding. Mutations produce the favorable results that create what we think of as different strains through selective propagation.

[Sasha]

Then I will use the ES 123 to make Cider Champagne, and maybe WS to make it even bubblier.

But the ES 123 and WS will be used for everything that is not Apple or Pear.

[skatz (Stevie)]

Bubbles are not strain dependent.

[Sasha]

I have information on breeding Yeast

the guy who discovered DNA, Craig Venter, he has now created a way to make Synthetic DNA, and it is actually really easy he says. He even created a machine that allows you to put DNA into a machine, and the machine will turn the DNA into 1’s and 0’s, then you can send the DNA code through the Cloud and it can be printed on the other side in another one of these machines. The Machines are called "Digital Biological Converter"s and he calls the process “Biological Teleportation”. And I was watching a lecture he did and he said that all it takes to create a new Chromosome. An Artificial piece of DNA, is to add Amino Acids to Yeast. Yeast naturally has very loose affiliation to its DNA, and exchanges DNA through Horizontal Transfer, which means they basically just touch each other and exchange DNA. And DNA is just amino acids in long chains.

So Yeast could actually be the key to the creation of life and a lot of other things.

And there are Yeasts that have been genetically modified to create Cannabinoids as byproducts instead of Alcohol. It’s crazy.

I want to try to make a Yeast that is Banana, Pear, Apple and Plum flavored. I know genes don’t just mix and do everything, but I’m going to try to get a propagator eventually and see what happens when I mix a few strains.

Also, I am very interested in the concept of Recombination.

You have probably heard of Epigentics, which is the study of the change of DNA throughout 1 lifetime, and how that effects what is passed down that otherwise might not have been or in place of something that otherwise would have been. And it is based on Environmental factors.

But I think that people are missing Recombination. Because supposedly species are just 2 of the same thing that were separated by water or land or whatever. That’s how Cultivars and everything are made too. Like Darwin’s birds with the different beaks, but both Finches. Recombination is mixing those 2 back together, or 2 species that are even further apart. Getting 2 species as far apart as you can, sometimes even into a different Genus (as in cases like Mules made from Donkeys and Horses, and Zebra-Horses), then recombining their DNA.

And there are a few methods used in Genetic Engineering, like the companies that make GMOs, that actually aren’t too complicated and they can mutate the DNA. I just think it would be interesting to try some things and then find a lab to send the byproducts to every time and see what the Yeast makes. And of course test the gravity to see if it is some mutant 40% ABV Yeast, because people would love that.

And people probably already know this buy Austin Texas has a pretty big brewing and distilling community. There are a bunch of new Vodkas an Ciders coming out of Austin right now, and it is happening in a similar way to how Austin is the Liberal bastion in Texas. It’s kind of like a Mecca in Texas for Brewing. So the 3rd Yeast I am getting is going to be from an Austin Cider making company, and they claim that it makes tons of Esters. So I’ll start breeding these Yeasts together on a small scale, then eventually I will get a propagator and start create big batches of new strains, and use the smaller batches to test amino acids and different methods to mutate the DNA.

Here are some papers on Breeding Yeast:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.1904.tb04656.x/pdf
http://linneo.iata.csic.es/jpolaina/files/PolainaJ02.pdf
http://www.pivarstvo.info/forum/files/yeast_propagation_and_maintenance_607.pdf

[Sasha]

Bubbles are not strain dependent.

Bubbles are alcohol dependent. If I make a batch with M02, then do a second ferment in the bottle or in the Keg with ES 123 or ES 123 and WS together, then that is how the bubbles are formed. It is like making Wine then using Champagne yeast. The bubbles are not dependent on the strain but you need a strain that can take a higher alcohol content to get bubbles.

[Sasha]

Eventually I will just use Kegs and pump CO2 into them, but right now I am using Yeast to make bubbles.

[riceral]

@Sasha

I have information on breeding Yeast

the guy who discovered DNA, Craig Venter, he has now created a way to make Synthetic DNA, and it is actually really easy he says. He even created a machine that allows you to put DNA into a machine, and the machine will turn the DNA into 1’s and 0’s, then you can send the DNA code through the Cloud and it can be printed on the other side in another one of these machines. The Machines are called "Digital Biological Converter"s and he calls the process “Biological Teleportation”. And I was watching a lecture he did and he said that all it takes to create a new Chromosome. An Artificial piece of DNA, is to add Amino Acids to Yeast. Yeast naturally has very loose affiliation to its DNA, and exchanges DNA through Horizontal Transfer, which means they basically just touch each other and exchange DNA. And DNA is just amino acids in long chains.

So Yeast could actually be the key to the creation of life and a lot of other things.

And there are Yeasts that have been genetically modified to create Cannabinoids as byproducts instead of Alcohol. It’s crazy.

I want to try to make a Yeast that is Banana, Pear, Apple and Plum flavored. I know genes don’t just mix and do everything, but I’m going to try to get a propagator eventually and see what happens when I mix a few strains.

Also, I am very interested in the concept of Recombination.

You have probably heard of Epigentics, which is the study of the change of DNA throughout 1 lifetime, and how that effects what is passed down that otherwise might not have been or in place of something that otherwise would have been. And it is based on Environmental factors.

But I think that people are missing Recombination. Because supposedly species are just 2 of the same thing that were separated by water or land or whatever. That’s how Cultivars and everything are made too. Like Darwin’s birds with the different beaks, but both Finches. Recombination is mixing those 2 back together, or 2 species that are even further apart. Getting 2 species as far apart as you can, sometimes even into a different Genus (as in cases like Mules made from Donkeys and Horses, and Zebra-Horses), then recombining their DNA.

And there are a few methods used in Genetic Engineering, like the companies that make GMOs, that actually aren’t too complicated and they can mutate the DNA. I just think it would be interesting to try some things and then find a lab to send the byproducts to every time and see what the Yeast makes. And of course test the gravity to see if it is some mutant 40% ABV Yeast, because people would love that.

And people probably already know this buy Austin Texas has a pretty big brewing and distilling community. There are a bunch of new Vodkas an Ciders coming out of Austin right now, and it is happening in a similar way to how Austin is the Liberal bastion in Texas. It’s kind of like a Mecca in Texas for Brewing. So the 3rd Yeast I am getting is going to be from an Austin Cider making company, and they claim that it makes tons of Esters. So I’ll start breeding these Yeasts together on a small scale, then eventually I will get a propagator and start create big batches of new strains, and use the smaller batches to test amino acids and different methods to mutate the DNA.

Here are some papers on Breeding Yeast:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.1904.tb04656.x/pdf
http://linneo.iata.csic.es/jpolaina/files/PolainaJ02.pdf
http://www.pivarstvo.info/forum/files/yeast_propagation_and_maintenance_607.pdf

Craig Venter did not discover DNA. Please try reading some basic (like, junior high school) biology books.

Seriously—

Like a train wreck, I can’t look away.

[Sasha]

@riceral

@Sasha

I have information on breeding Yeast

the guy who discovered DNA, Craig Venter, he has now created a way to make Synthetic DNA, and it is actually really easy he says. He even created a machine that allows you to put DNA into a machine, and the machine will turn the DNA into 1’s and 0’s, then you can send the DNA code through the Cloud and it can be printed on the other side in another one of these machines. The Machines are called "Digital Biological Converter"s and he calls the process “Biological Teleportation”. And I was watching a lecture he did and he said that all it takes to create a new Chromosome. An Artificial piece of DNA, is to add Amino Acids to Yeast. Yeast naturally has very loose affiliation to its DNA, and exchanges DNA through Horizontal Transfer, which means they basically just touch each other and exchange DNA. And DNA is just amino acids in long chains.

So Yeast could actually be the key to the creation of life and a lot of other things.

And there are Yeasts that have been genetically modified to create Cannabinoids as byproducts instead of Alcohol. It’s crazy.

I want to try to make a Yeast that is Banana, Pear, Apple and Plum flavored. I know genes don’t just mix and do everything, but I’m going to try to get a propagator eventually and see what happens when I mix a few strains.

Also, I am very interested in the concept of Recombination.

You have probably heard of Epigentics, which is the study of the change of DNA throughout 1 lifetime, and how that effects what is passed down that otherwise might not have been or in place of something that otherwise would have been. And it is based on Environmental factors.

But I think that people are missing Recombination. Because supposedly species are just 2 of the same thing that were separated by water or land or whatever. That’s how Cultivars and everything are made too. Like Darwin’s birds with the different beaks, but both Finches. Recombination is mixing those 2 back together, or 2 species that are even further apart. Getting 2 species as far apart as you can, sometimes even into a different Genus (as in cases like Mules made from Donkeys and Horses, and Zebra-Horses), then recombining their DNA.

And there are a few methods used in Genetic Engineering, like the companies that make GMOs, that actually aren’t too complicated and they can mutate the DNA. I just think it would be interesting to try some things and then find a lab to send the byproducts to every time and see what the Yeast makes. And of course test the gravity to see if it is some mutant 40% ABV Yeast, because people would love that.

And people probably already know this buy Austin Texas has a pretty big brewing and distilling community. There are a bunch of new Vodkas an Ciders coming out of Austin right now, and it is happening in a similar way to how Austin is the Liberal bastion in Texas. It’s kind of like a Mecca in Texas for Brewing. So the 3rd Yeast I am getting is going to be from an Austin Cider making company, and they claim that it makes tons of Esters. So I’ll start breeding these Yeasts together on a small scale, then eventually I will get a propagator and start create big batches of new strains, and use the smaller batches to test amino acids and different methods to mutate the DNA.

Here are some papers on Breeding Yeast:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.1904.tb04656.x/pdf
http://linneo.iata.csic.es/jpolaina/files/PolainaJ02.pdf
http://www.pivarstvo.info/forum/files/yeast_propagation_and_maintenance_607.pdf

Craig Venter did not discover DNA. Please try reading some basic (like, junior high school) biology books.

Seriously—

Like a train wreck, I can’t look away.

Lol. He mapped the human genome. And that’s really not the point of the post. Way to take a tangent and troll it out.

[skatz (Stevie)]

@riceral

@Sasha

I have information on breeding Yeast

the guy who discovered DNA, Craig Venter, he has now created a way to make Synthetic DNA, and it is actually really easy he says. He even created a machine that allows you to put DNA into a machine, and the machine will turn the DNA into 1’s and 0’s, then you can send the DNA code through the Cloud and it can be printed on the other side in another one of these machines. The Machines are called "Digital Biological Converter"s and he calls the process “Biological Teleportation”. And I was watching a lecture he did and he said that all it takes to create a new Chromosome. An Artificial piece of DNA, is to add Amino Acids to Yeast. Yeast naturally has very loose affiliation to its DNA, and exchanges DNA through Horizontal Transfer, which means they basically just touch each other and exchange DNA. And DNA is just amino acids in long chains.

So Yeast could actually be the key to the creation of life and a lot of other things.

And there are Yeasts that have been genetically modified to create Cannabinoids as byproducts instead of Alcohol. It’s crazy.

I want to try to make a Yeast that is Banana, Pear, Apple and Plum flavored. I know genes don’t just mix and do everything, but I’m going to try to get a propagator eventually and see what happens when I mix a few strains.

Also, I am very interested in the concept of Recombination.

You have probably heard of Epigentics, which is the study of the change of DNA throughout 1 lifetime, and how that effects what is passed down that otherwise might not have been or in place of something that otherwise would have been. And it is based on Environmental factors.

But I think that people are missing Recombination. Because supposedly species are just 2 of the same thing that were separated by water or land or whatever. That’s how Cultivars and everything are made too. Like Darwin’s birds with the different beaks, but both Finches. Recombination is mixing those 2 back together, or 2 species that are even further apart. Getting 2 species as far apart as you can, sometimes even into a different Genus (as in cases like Mules made from Donkeys and Horses, and Zebra-Horses), then recombining their DNA.

And there are a few methods used in Genetic Engineering, like the companies that make GMOs, that actually aren’t too complicated and they can mutate the DNA. I just think it would be interesting to try some things and then find a lab to send the byproducts to every time and see what the Yeast makes. And of course test the gravity to see if it is some mutant 40% ABV Yeast, because people would love that.

And people probably already know this buy Austin Texas has a pretty big brewing and distilling community. There are a bunch of new Vodkas an Ciders coming out of Austin right now, and it is happening in a similar way to how Austin is the Liberal bastion in Texas. It’s kind of like a Mecca in Texas for Brewing. So the 3rd Yeast I am getting is going to be from an Austin Cider making company, and they claim that it makes tons of Esters. So I’ll start breeding these Yeasts together on a small scale, then eventually I will get a propagator and start create big batches of new strains, and use the smaller batches to test amino acids and different methods to mutate the DNA.

Here are some papers on Breeding Yeast:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.1904.tb04656.x/pdf
http://linneo.iata.csic.es/jpolaina/files/PolainaJ02.pdf
http://www.pivarstvo.info/forum/files/yeast_propagation_and_maintenance_607.pdf

Craig Venter did not discover DNA. Please try reading some basic (like, junior high school) biology books.

Seriously—

Like a train wreck, I can’t look away.

Maybe along with DNA “teleportation” has had also invented time travel.

[Sasha]

If you read that first link about breeding Yeast it mentions UV light. All you have to do is get a UV light (which are readily available for lizards, and killing bacteria, etc). And it mentions right off the bat that UV light has been a means of mutating Yeast for a while and it works really well.

So not only can I breed Yeast, I can mutate it. And now you can too.