Current gravity 1.020, and airlock still bubbling.
Will it hit 1.014 ? or below ? time will tell.
Cheers
Current gravity 1.020, and airlock still bubbling.
Will it hit 1.014 ? or below ? time will tell.
Cheers
If you didn’t taste it, how do you know it’s too sweet?
chinaski:
OG 1.038, 4.75 gallons.
If the final gravity is 1.014, could cane sugar be added
to lower it to 1.010 or below ?Thanks
Hold up- does it taste too sweet or are you just going by gravity?
Didn’t taste it, still in fermenter. Gravity is only part of it, if it was a higher OG
a FG of 1.014 would be fine. Since I only brew session brews i found ABV a little
over or under 4 ABV is fine. When I get too close to 3 ABV it starts to feel/taste like
a flavored soft drink. I prefer dry, if it’s a little sweet that’s fine.
I want my ABV. (hint song)For those with no clue-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0Cheers
If you didn’t taste it, how do you know it’s too sweet?
I didn’t state if it was sweet or dry, don’t know, not concerned.
My only intent is to bump up ABV.
Cheers
denny:
chinaski:
OG 1.038, 4.75 gallons.
If the final gravity is 1.014, could cane sugar be added
to lower it to 1.010 or below ?Thanks
Hold up- does it taste too sweet or are you just going by gravity?
Didn’t taste it, still in fermenter. Gravity is only part of it, if it was a higher OG
a FG of 1.014 would be fine. Since I only brew session brews i found ABV a little
over or under 4 ABV is fine. When I get too close to 3 ABV it starts to feel/taste like
a flavored soft drink. I prefer dry, if it’s a little sweet that’s fine.
I want my ABV. (hint song)For those with no clue-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0Cheers
If you didn’t taste it, how do you know it’s too sweet?
I never said it was sweet or dry, not concerned.
My only intent is to bump up ABV.Cheers
Sorry, I misunderstood.
denny:
chinaski:
OG 1.038, 4.75 gallons.
If the final gravity is 1.014, could cane sugar be added
to lower it to 1.010 or below ?Thanks
Hold up- does it taste too sweet or are you just going by gravity?
Didn’t taste it, still in fermenter. Gravity is only part of it, if it was a higher OG
a FG of 1.014 would be fine. Since I only brew session brews i found ABV a little
over or under 4 ABV is fine. When I get too close to 3 ABV it starts to feel/taste like
a flavored soft drink. I prefer dry, if it’s a little sweet that’s fine.
I want my ABV. (hint song)For those with no clue-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0Cheers
If you didn’t taste it, how do you know it’s too sweet?
I never said it was sweet or dry, not concerned.
My only intent is to bump up ABV.Cheers
Sorry, I misunderstood.
Everythings cool, you are getting old :
denny:
denny:
chinaski:
OG 1.038, 4.75 gallons.
If the final gravity is 1.014, could cane sugar be added
to lower it to 1.010 or below ?Thanks
Hold up- does it taste too sweet or are you just going by gravity?
Didn’t taste it, still in fermenter. Gravity is only part of it, if it was a higher OG
a FG of 1.014 would be fine. Since I only brew session brews i found ABV a little
over or under 4 ABV is fine. When I get too close to 3 ABV it starts to feel/taste like
a flavored soft drink. I prefer dry, if it’s a little sweet that’s fine.
I want my ABV. (hint song)For those with no clue-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0Cheers
If you didn’t taste it, how do you know it’s too sweet?
I never said it was sweet or dry, not concerned.
My only intent is to bump up ABV.Cheers
Sorry, I misunderstood.
Everythings cool, you are getting old :
Getting?
denny:
denny:
chinaski:
OG 1.038, 4.75 gallons.
If the final gravity is 1.014, could cane sugar be added
to lower it to 1.010 or below ?Thanks
Hold up- does it taste too sweet or are you just going by gravity?
Didn’t taste it, still in fermenter. Gravity is only part of it, if it was a higher OG
a FG of 1.014 would be fine. Since I only brew session brews i found ABV a little
over or under 4 ABV is fine. When I get too close to 3 ABV it starts to feel/taste like
a flavored soft drink. I prefer dry, if it’s a little sweet that’s fine.
I want my ABV. (hint song)For those with no clue-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0Cheers
If you didn’t taste it, how do you know it’s too sweet?
I never said it was sweet or dry, not concerned.
My only intent is to bump up ABV.Cheers
Sorry, I misunderstood.
Everythings cool, you are getting old :
Getting?
A lot of us are in that boat. Just keep on brewing.
Dwain:
I doubt adding sugar will change the FG. I believe it will ferment out resulting in higher ABV but will take you right back to the same FG when it’s done.
I think there are two parts to the theory behind adding some sugar. The first is that the volume of the batch is being increased (albeit a very small amount) with something that is highly fermentable. So the main batch will have a certain FG, plus the sugar addition with a potentially much lower FG, together will result in a lower FG for the entire batch. The other thing is with the second sugar addition the yeast will grow and become active again and could possibly pickup some additional existing sugars that were already there. I don’t recall where I saw the second one. Not sure if that happens or not.
I have see this work in practice though. I brewed a honey wheat ale once. The primary fermentation stop at 1.008. I added honey which brought the SG back up to 1.016. The fermentation picked back up and the FG ended up being 1.006 after the secondary.
If there is a change in FG though, I would expect it to be small.
The reason you see a lower FG is because alcohol has a lower specific gravity than 1.000. Adding something that ferments out fully will put more alcohol in solution, but the unfermented dextrins/sugars are still there. You don’t end up with something that is less sweet, just more alcoholic.
True enough. I agree that the unfermented sugars will still be there. But there was a mention from Fire Rooster of possibly adding enough sugar to raise the ABV by 1%. That’s almost a 33% increase from the current level. I think that could change the flavor and body enough that the perceived sweetness could be lower. Maybe not though, just a guess on my part. The rest of the recipe would definitely come into play.
erockrph:
Dwain:
I doubt adding sugar will change the FG. I believe it will ferment out resulting in higher ABV but will take you right back to the same FG when it’s done.
I think there are two parts to the theory behind adding some sugar. The first is that the volume of the batch is being increased (albeit a very small amount) with something that is highly fermentable. So the main batch will have a certain FG, plus the sugar addition with a potentially much lower FG, together will result in a lower FG for the entire batch. The other thing is with the second sugar addition the yeast will grow and become active again and could possibly pickup some additional existing sugars that were already there. I don’t recall where I saw the second one. Not sure if that happens or not.
I have see this work in practice though. I brewed a honey wheat ale once. The primary fermentation stop at 1.008. I added honey which brought the SG back up to 1.016. The fermentation picked back up and the FG ended up being 1.006 after the secondary.
If there is a change in FG though, I would expect it to be small.
The reason you see a lower FG is because alcohol has a lower specific gravity than 1.000. Adding something that ferments out fully will put more alcohol in solution, but the unfermented dextrins/sugars are still there. You don’t end up with something that is less sweet, just more alcoholic.
True enough. I agree that the unfermented sugars will still be there. But there was a mention from Fire Rooster of possibly adding enough sugar to raise the ABV by 1%. That’s almost a 33% increase from the current level. I think that could change the flavor and body enough that the perceived sweetness could be lower. Maybe not though, just a guess on my part. The rest of the recipe would definitely come into play.
Since alcohol is sweet I’d guess it would go the other way.
Then why are things which are fermented to “dryness” dry and not sweet?
Since alcohol is sweet I’d guess it would go the other way.
I for one actually don’t buy that alcohol is sweet as some suggest.
Current gravity 1.020, and airlock still bubbling.
Will it hit 1.014 ? or below ? time will tell.Cheers
Today it’s 1.016.
Then why are things which are fermented to “dryness” dry and not sweet?
Maybe you’re thinking of 2 different definitions?
denny:
Since alcohol is sweet I’d guess it would go the other way.
I for one actually don’t buy that alcohol is sweet as some suggest.
Whether you buy it or not…
Dave Taylor:
denny:
Since alcohol is sweet I’d guess it would go the other way.
I for one actually don’t buy that alcohol is sweet as some suggest.
Whether you buy it or not…
Sweet or not, I perceive alcohol in many beers as lending a sweetening quality. And yet in other beers, on occasion, I get a dry, cidery perception of the ethanol. I guess it depends on the beer and the fermentable composition of the wort from which the alcohol is derived?
A sincere tip of the cap to those that can perceive the taste contributions of alcohol in standard ABV beers. My palate is not nearly that refined.
Then why are things which are fermented to “dryness” dry and not sweet?
Maybe you’re thinking of 2 different definitions?
Sweet is a flavor
Dry is a mouthfeel
denny:
Then why are things which are fermented to “dryness” dry and not sweet?
Maybe you’re thinking of 2 different definitions?
Sweet is a flavor
Dry is a mouthfeel
Perhaps I should have elaborated more. I’m basically in the same camp as Dave. I’ve never perceived alcohol as sweet. A specific example would be clear spirits. Something like vodka very much doesn’t come off as sweet to me. That said, I definitely admit that things will taste different to different people.
On the topic of a hypothetical sugar solution fermented to dryness (let’s say 0.992 which was mentioned in a reply), I wouldn’t expect the resulting liquid to have a sweet taste. I could be wrong because I’ve never done that specifically. But I’ve had honey ferment as low as 0.990. This again would be a matter of taste perception, but I can’t imagine anyone who would have described that mead as having a sweet flavor.
It’s true that dry beer can still have a sweet flavor. But I would tend to attribute that aspect of the flavor to other parts of the beer, not the alcohol. Not sure though. I could be wrong.
One of the missions of the BJCP is to maintain a common lexicon so misunderstandings would be fewer and further between.
Though there’s certainly no requirement to use their definition, I offer it as common ground for term usage. In this case, Dry is defined as – “same usage as with wine, meaning lacking perceived sweetness. Well-attenuated. Obviously does not mean “opposite of wet” in this context.”
I’ve tasted straight absinthe at 76% ABV. If it was perceived as sweet at all, it would be from the anise, not the alcohol.