I am a relatively new home brewer and am try to accumulate equipment to get things going. One item I continue to get hung up on is the price difference between glass carboys and the plastic one’s. Are there any serious downfalls to using plastic for secondary fermentation storage?? I feel like I can double my storage capacity going with plastic but do not want to waste the money if glass is worth the price.
I have typically gone from the boil, after the wort is cooled, to a 6 gallon plastic bucket for fermentation then siphon it out to a carboy to get it off of the sediment at the bottom. Would this not be recommended?? Sorry if these questions seem elementrybut I am relatively new to this. I appreciate all of your expertise.
I use six gallon buckets form a food storage place (no LHBS here.) I use them mostly because they take less space in my chest freezer and they are cheap. I secondary in kegs, glass or a better bottle.
Food quality fermentation buckets provide an inexpensive & adequate solution. Just not good for long fermentations/storage. Glass carboys are easy to clean & good for long term. However, they can break & are potentially quite dangerous. Still, they’re used by many of us. The newer Better Bottle plastic carboy is the new option. Safer, lighter, supposedly good for long term ferments. I haven’t got any yet, but plan to. Another option (less used) is to ferment in corny kegs.
The whole question of siphoning into a secondary is another issue. Many use secondaries, but others have come to believe (me too) that secondaries aren’t necessary. You can achieve great clarity, with no risk of yeast autalysis, in a primary alone. Less work, less risk of oxidation or infection (though good technique makes this somewhat moot). I have concerns about using buckets as secondaries for long term ferments (big barleywines, RIS, meads, etc). Glass is better in this regard. I don’t know about long term in Better Bottles, though others report good success.
For safety reasons, I will NOT use glass. I only use food-grade HDPE buckets (I use bottling buckets) or PET (i.e., Better Bottle) for primary fermentation.
For price reasons, the food-grade HDPE buckets and spigots are the way to go. Plan to clean and dry them well after every use and replace them every year or so.
For storage reasons, the food-grade HDPE buckets are the way to go. The spigots disassemble and you can stack multiple buckets when empty. Your spouse will appreciate that.
For use in fermentation fridges, the food-grade HDPE buckets are the way to go (go for the taller, narrower one [6.9 gallon, 12 inch base vs the 7.9 gallon, 14 inch base] if you have space concerns in your fridge). It has a convenient handle already and is shatterproof. Here’s an example: http://www.midwestsupplies.com/6-5-gallon-plastic-fermenter-with-lid.html
For cleaning reasons, the food-grade HDPE bucket is the way to go. The ease of access to the interior of the fermentor cannot be beat. Just take the lid off, soak the bucket in some water and clean with a soft sponge.
I have two better bottles. I don’t use them anymore. Transfers are more difficult into carboys and cleaning them afterwards is more work–the buckets are just plain easier.
If I want to secondary, I have plenty of 5 gallon SS corny kegs which offer all the desirable qualities (and more) that a glass carboy does (like protection from oxidation and light exposure), with none of the negative qualities (like shattering if bumped or dropped). I also don’t have to protect it from bumps or sunlight and it takes up a lot less room in my fridge–I can put 4 corny kegs minimum in my smalles fridge whereas I can only put one bucket or Better Bottle). They do offer corny keg lids that have been adapted to accept a stopper and airlock.
Forget the glass carboy.
Consider also passing on the Better Bottle unless you like watching the fermentation process (which admittedly is kind of cool).
Fermenters aren’t really about storage. Once fermentation’s done along with any bulk aging you want, if any, you’ll be getting your brew out of the fermenter and into bottles or kegs. As far as glass vs plastic, there’s really nothing wrong with plastic. There’re lots of benefits and about the only down side is that they are slightly oxygen permeable but it’s so little as to not really matter. You’ll be fine with plastic. Oh, and that means a real plastic fermenter not just an old plastic water jug. There is a difference.
I’ve avoided the better bottles because of the difficulty of cleaning them without scratching. I use the 6.5 gal plastic buckets for most things & don’t worry about O2 for less than 3-4 wk. total time in fermenters (primary or secondary). I usually don’t do a secondary unless I’m doing a fruit beer, or am dry hopping. I do have glass carboys that I occasionally use as secondaries. I recommend that anyone using glass invest in a sturdy canvas carboy bag for a little more safety.
Plastic. I moved from buckets to Better Bottle and am contemplating a move back to food-grade buckets (with a separate question in the equipment forum). It has been useful/fun to watch the fermentation process, but to get the wort into the BB I transfer it into a bucket and then into a BB anyway, and as others have noted, buckets are easier to clean. If it’s easier to clean it’s likely to be cleaner. (That said, warm water and an OxyClean clone cleaner work miracles.)
I am a sissy girl and can barely lift an empty glass carboy, so a full one would have to sit wherever I filled it.
One last thing about buckets: less chance of getting light-struck. For my BB fermenters I use an inverted grocery bag with a hole punched in the bottom (after one time when someone left a light on in a closet I use for fermenting), but again, a bucket takes care of that.
I have both glass and better bottles. I use both because I have them and am really quite a cheapskate. I primary in 6.5g glass and typically secondary in better bottles. If I have more than 2 beers in play I secondary in my 5g glass bottles. Both work with no issues so far. Now if I drop a glass carboy and lose a hand I might change my mind.
I was speaking for the masses, ya know the pencil pushing dress up types. Its easy to lift carboys at the end of the day if the heaviest thing you lift all day is a cup of coffee. I can lift a glass carboy with one hand I just dont want to cause the damn thing pops in half some times with a one handed neck lift. ;D
Seriously though, they are too damn heavy, not so much the weight as the awkwardness. Then its just horrible when you drop them. …and I have actually been thinking of macrame.