Hit me with your best tips for Carbonades Flamandes

I’ve gotten mildly fixated on perfecting my Carbonades Flamandes or stoofvlees. Belgian restaurants are not exactly common; so it’s challenging to find commercial examples to index off of. Modern recipes tend to have certain key features in common but also vary significantly in the details. I suspect it’s rather like gumbo — there are as many recipes for gumbo as there are Cajuns cooking it (not to mention the Creoles). But I found an old cookbook on Project Gutenberg that offers some interesting historical examples. In contrast to the recipes I find in modern cookbooks and online, none involve marinades or flouring the beef before browning or adding sweeteners.

The following are from The Belgian Cookbook, a collection of recipes from Belgian refugees in Britain edited by Mrs. Brian Luck, published in 1915, and now in the public domain in the US.

FLEMISH CARBONADE

Put two onions to color in butter or in hot fat. Then add to them the beef, which you have cut into pieces the size of a small cake. Let it cook for a few minutes, then add pepper, salt, a carrot sliced, and enough water to allow the meat to cook gently by the side of the fire, allowing one and one-half hours for one and one-half pounds of meat. Ten minutes before serving add to the sauce a little meat-juice or Liebig [probably Liebig’s Extract of Meat]. You may at the same time, if it is wished, cook potatoes with the meat for about twenty minutes. Serve it all in a large dish, the meat in the center and the potatoes round. The sauce is served separately, and without being passed through the sieve.

L. Verhaeghe.

FLEMISH CARBONADES

Take four pounds of beef—there is a cut near the neck that is suitable for this recipe. Cut the meat in small pieces (square) and fry them in a pan. In another pan put a piece of refined fat and fry in it five big onions that you have finely chopped. When these are well browned, add to them the meat, sprinkling in also pepper, salt, mixed herbs. Cover all with water, and let it cook for an hour with the lid on. After an hour’s cooking, add half a glass of beer, a slice of crumb of bread with a light layer of mustard and three tablespoonfuls of best vinegar. Let it cook again for three quarters of an hour. If the sauce is not thick enough, add a little flour, taking care that it boils up again afterwards.

CARBONADES DONE WITH BEER

Cut the meat into slices that are thin rather than thick. Mince two big onions and fry them till brown; then fry the slices till they are colored on both sides. Pour on them first some beer, then a dash of vinegar, adding thyme, pepper, and salt, and throw in also a slice of crust of bread, which you have spread with mustard. Let this all simmer for three hours.

Mme. Segur.

CARBONADE OF FLANDERS

Cut your beef into small neat pieces. Mince some onions finely, and for five or six people you would add two bay-leaves, two cloves, pepper, salt; simmer gently for three hours in water, and at the end of that time bind the sauce with cornflour. Some people like the sauce to be thickened instead with mustard.

V. Verachtert.

CHIPPED POTATOES

Take some long-shaped potatoes, peel them and smooth them with the knife. Cut them into very thin rounds. Heat the grease pretty hot, dry the slices of potato with a cloth, put them into the frying basket and plunge them into the fat. When they are colored, take the basket out, let the fat heat up again to a slightly higher temperature, and re-plunge the basket, so that the slices become quite crisp. Serve with coarse salt sprinkled over.

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OK, I totally wasn’t hungry this morning but now I am. I am going to have to try and research this more to see if i want to try this myself. I can’t offer any tips on what to expect or how to improve it.

I’ve made quite a few carbonades over the years, mainly with venison (elk, moose and antelope) as I hunt. The best ones are made with Belgian ale - if you have a dubbel on tap, that’s perfect. But I think the best one I ever made was an elk carbonade with Rodenbach.

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Yeah, I think the reason some modern recipes call for vinegar is to approximate a bit of that Flanders Red/Brown character.

Edit: I think the ones that call for red currant jelly have similar motivation.

I’ve been having a hard time finding red currant jelly recently.

Tiptree and Bonne Maman both make a red currant jelly, and if you can’t find either in a local grocery or World Market, you can buy them online. Every year I get a gift of a jar of local pomegranate jelly and use it on ham, and think it would be pretty close in this recipe.

Thanks! I appreciate the info!

I used to be able to find it at the local grocery store, and after that there was a European delicatessen that carried a German brand. It seems that the red currant flavor isn’t as popular these days.

There is a very good Belgian restaurant in Greenville, SC. (Not that I’m an expert on Belgian food, but I like theirs and I love their beer selection.) Carbonades Flamandes is on the menu - maybe they can help.

The Trappe Door, 23 W. Washington St, Greenville, SC

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Our grocery store has about a dozen Bonne Maman products; red currant is not one of them.

I did notice, surprisingly enough, that they also carry a lingonberry preserve.

But either way, the old recipes don’t call for jam or preserves.

Here’s a recipe consolidated from the four public domain recipes and a couple of modern cookbooks.

Some recipes use only one pot, but this one uses a pan and a pot to ensure that the steam can escape easily while you’re browning the beef — the caramelization is important for developing the flavor.

My family doesn’t like the texture that I get when I use the mustard-on-bread thickener approach (or maybe I just didn’t let it simmer long enough to properly melt into the sauce); so this recipe uses cornstarch to thicken.

Consolidated Carbonades

  • 4 lb boneless stew beef, cubed
  • 2 oz (divided) butter, margarine, or lard
  • 2 lb onions, thinly sliced or minced
  • 1 or 2 bottles Belgian beer
  • 1 tsp salt
  • ½ tsp ground black pepper
  • 2 to 3 sprigs fresh thyme (or 1 tsp dried thyme)
  • 2 bay leaves
  • 1 tsp stone ground mustard
  • 1 to 2 tbsp cornstarch to thicken, if needed

Optional, to adjust flavor and texture:

  • 1½ tablespoons red currant jelly (or brown sugar)
  • 1 tablespoon cider or red wine vinegar
  • beef broth
  1. Melt the first ounce of fat in a large pan. Working in batches, brown the beef evenly and transfer to the Dutch oven.
  2. Melt the remaining fat in the pan. Brown the onions and transfer to the Dutch oven with the beef.
  3. Deglaze the pan with some of the beer, being sure to loosen all the grimilles and tasty caramelized bits.
  4. Pour the beer over the meat and onions in the Dutch oven.
  5. Add the salt, pepper, thyme, bay leaves, and mustard.
  6. Cover and simmer over low heat (or in a low oven) until the beef is very tender: 1 or 2 hours.
  7. Remove the thyme and bay leaves.
  8. If the sauce seems too thin, dilute the cornstarch in a little water and add it to thicken to your taste. If the sauce is too thick, loosen it with a little more beer or a splash of beef broth.
  9. Just before serving, if needed, add jelly and vinegar to taste.

Serve with frites and good mayonnaise.