Oktoberfest!

Thanks for the links.

The strength of a Marzen is FAIRLY consistent amongst the German and American examples. It is running between 5 - 7% ABV
There are quite a few at 5.8ish% which is where I like to brew them.

I don’t speak German but I can see that the strength is 5.9% from the Spaten website.

Spaten Oktoberfestbier
Unser Spaten Oktoberfestbier wird schon im Frühjahr für das größte Volksfest der Welt gebraut. Unzählige Oktoberfestbesucher sind von diesem Bier jedes Jahr aufs Neue begeistert. Denn jeder Schluck ist mit seinem unverkennbar süffigen Geschmack so besonders wie die Wiesn selbst.

Geschmack: malzbetont, süffig, leichte Süße, körperreich und leichte Hopfenbittere
Blume: malzblumig
Aussehen: bernstein, blank
Stammwürze in Prozent: > 13,7
Alkohol in Prozent: 5,9

I’ve always gone pretty traditional with my Oktoberfest, but I think I’m going to switch it up a little this year.  Here’s what I’m going to brew next weekend.  Unfortunately, I don’t have much fermentation temp control right now, so it will be an ale version using 1056.

Oktoberfest
3-B Oktoberfest/Märzen

Size: 5.16 gal
Efficiency: 80.0%
Attenuation: 77.0%
Calories: 195.54 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.059 (1.050 - 1.056)
Terminal Gravity: 1.014 (1.012 - 1.016)
Color: 10.92 (7.0 - 14.0)
Alcohol: 5.95% (4.8% - 5.7%)
Bitterness: 27.0 (20.0 - 28.0)

Ingredients:
6 lb Vienna Malt
2 lb Light Munich
2 lb Pilsner Malt
1.0 lb Dark Munich
.12 lb Melanoidin Malt
.50 oz Magnum (12.1%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
.50 oz Hallertau (3.6%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
1.0 ea Whirlfloc Tablets (Irish moss) - added during boil, boiled 5 min
1.5 L WYeast 1056 American Ale

Notes
Single infusion batch sparge
-Mash @ 155
-Ferment @ 64

Looks like a good one!

I did my O-fest with wyeast 1007 this weekend.  I found out that my floating thermometer is way off; something like 10 degrees wamer than what it actually is.  Argh!  I don’t think I’ll be using that anymore.  So I’m not actually sure what my real mash temp was…it was under 150F, but it’s fermenting like a fox right now.  Had to attach a blow off tube.
Can’t wait to try it.  But I only got about 70% efficiency :frowning:  thinking that may be from the low mash temp, even though I mashed for 90minutes.  I think it will still be solid with an OG of 1.056.

I have noticed a significant difference in American vs. German examples of this beer.  There is that German “distinct taste” that is present in the German examples but not any of the American examples.  I think that “distinct taste” comes from the flavor hops but I have yet to duplicate it.

Here’s the BJCP guidelines.

3B. Oktoberfest/Märzen

Aroma: Rich German malt aroma (of Vienna and/or Munich malt).  A light to moderate toasted malt aroma is often present.  Clean lager aroma with no fruity esters or diacetyl.  No hop aroma.  Caramel aroma is inappropriate.

Appearance: Dark gold to deep orange-red color. Bright clarity, with solid, off-white, foam stand.

Flavor: Initial malty sweetness, but finish is moderately dry.  Distinctive and complex maltiness often includes a toasted aspect.  Hop bitterness is moderate, and noble hop flavor is low to none. Balance is toward malt, though the finish is not sweet.  Noticeable caramel or roasted flavors are inappropriate.  Clean lager character with no diacetyl or fruity esters.

Mouthfeel: Medium body, with a creamy texture and medium carbonation.  Smooth.  Fully fermented, without a cloying finish.

Overall Impression: Smooth, clean, and rather rich, with a depth of malt character.  This is one of the classic malty styles, with a maltiness that is often described as soft, complex, and elegant but never cloying.

History: Origin is credited to Gabriel Sedlmayr, based on an adaptation of the Vienna style developed by Anton Dreher around 1840, shortly after lager yeast was first isolated.  Typically brewed in the spring, signaling the end of the traditional brewing season and stored in cold caves or cellars during the warm summer months.  Served in autumn amidst traditional celebrations.

Comments: Domestic German versions tend to be golden, like a strong Pils-dominated Helles.  Export German versions are typically orange-amber in color, and have a distinctive toasty malt character.  German beer tax law limits the OG of the style at 14˚P since it is a vollbier, although American versions can be stronger.  “Fest” type beers are special occasion beers that are usually stronger than their everyday counterparts.

Ingredients: Grist varies, although German Vienna malt is often the backbone of the grain bill, with some Munich malt, Pils malt, and possibly some crystal malt. All malt should derive from the finest quality two-row barley. Continental hops, especially noble varieties, are most authentic.  Somewhat alkaline water (up to 300 PPM), with significant carbonate content is welcome.  A decoction mash can help develop the rich malt profile.

Vital Statistics: OG: 1.050 – 1.057
IBUs: 20 – 28 FG: 1.012 – 1.016
SRM: 7 – 14 ABV: 4.8 – 5.7%

Commercial Examples: Paulaner Oktoberfest, Ayinger Oktoberfest-Märzen, Hacker-Pschorr Original Oktoberfest, Hofbräu Oktoberfest, Victory Festbier, Great Lakes Oktoberfest, Spaten Oktoberfest, Capital Oktoberfest, Gordon Biersch Märzen, Goose Island Oktoberfest, Samuel Adams Oktoberfest (a bit unusual in its late hopping)

Well hopefully it will be OK.

Sounds like a good sign it’s fermenting.  I think the 90 minute mash will work in your favor.

Good Luck!

Ron, I think I know what you’re referring to when you describe German examples as having a distinct taste. I perceive it as a clean, mineral-like bite that I think might have something to do with water composition. It could have something to do with hops also.

Matt, There has been some discussion about this issue.  I am leaning towards hops and water profile as well.  I want to look at hops first as you’ll see when I post my recipe from my other computer.

Here is a link to another thread that debates this very issue.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=1812.0

Thanks for posting that link!  Good info.

Ron and I have been trying to replicate that elusive “taste” or flavor profile for a few years.  I have found (advice from Kai) that splitting the IBUs bewtween bittering and flavor 50/50 gets you close.  Proper aging (not necessarily at low lager temps but at cellar/serving temps) may bring out this character as well.  I have found that most south German lagers exhibit this flavor profile, with bocks being a little less so and helles, pils and Marzen more so.  Have not seen it in Kolsch or alt styles.  Export styles may or may not have it, but to a much lesser degree than south German beers.  As has been said, water compostion is key as well.

I am trying sort of a 50/50 split as you’ll see on this next batch while keeping my water somewhat nuetral (Poland Spring).

I think aging at cellar temp is an interesting idea.  Might have to try that sometime.  I’m doing a diacetyl rest on my festbier at the moment.

What are our thoughts on using caramel malts in festbiers?  I haven’t personally used them in my Oktoberfest recipes, but I’ve tasted plenty of examples (mostly American) that have a caramel presence (Left Hand’s comes to mind).

I stay away from them - while I do enjoy it occasionally, Sam Adams Fest can really become too caramelly and sweet for me, and I guess I assume thats the use of crystal malts.  That said, Left Hand Fest which you mention is usually one of my favorites, though last year was a bit disappointing.

I did use a very small amount of Carabrown this year, which I believe isn’t a caramel malt at all  :wink:

As per the style guideline noticeable caramel malt flavor is undesirable. I prefer the complex maltiness of Vienna/Munich/Pils with a slight hint of toastiness which can be acheived with the use of a very small addition of medium-dark caramunich or carafa. I believe caramel malt used in the right proportion can make for a nice fest beer but there is a fine line that if exceeded won’t meet the established guidelines.

Flavor: Initial malty sweetness, but finish is moderately dry.  Distinctive and complex maltiness often includes a toasted aspect.  Hop bitterness is moderate, and noble hop flavor is low to none. Balance is toward malt, though the finish is not sweet.  Noticeable caramel or roasted flavors are inappropriate.  Clean lager character with no diacetyl or fruity esters.

I want to visit the Spaten-Franziskaner-Braeu factory among others someday.  I don’t know if they do brewery tours but that would be fascinating.

Ayinger Brewery

Paulaner Hacker-Pschorr Brewery

Here is my latest creation.  With this version I am pushing the flavor and aroma hops eventhough the style really doesn’t focus on them,  I have found through tastings that there is some hop flavor and aroma in Commercial German examples.  My hope is to replicate that condition in this recipe.

Spangler Oktoberfest #3
Oktoberfest/Marzen

Type: All Grain
Date: 7/26/2010
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Time: 90 min
 
Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.50 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 40.91 %
3.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 31.82 %
2.00 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 18.18 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4.55 %
0.30 lb Caramunich Malt 1 (43.0 SRM) Grain 2.73 %
0.12 lb Caramunich Malt 2 (60.0 SRM) Grain 1.09 %
0.08 lb Caramunich Malt 3 (120.0 SRM) Grain 0.73 %
0.60 oz Magnum [12.50 %] (60 min) Hops 22.1 IBU
0.50 oz Hallertauer [3.90 %] (15 min) Hops 2.8 IBU
0.50 oz Spalter [4.10 %] (10 min) Hops 2.4 IBU
0.50 oz Hallertauer [3.90 %] (5 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
0.50 oz Spalter [4.10 %] (0 min) Hops - 
1 Pkgs German Lager (White Labs #WLP830) [Starter 6000 ml] Yeast-Lager

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.054 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.052 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.012 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.48 %
Bitterness: 28.5 IBU
Est Color: 9.5 SRM

Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body Total Grain Weight: 11.00 lb
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F
 
Single Infusion, Medium Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Mash In Add 16.00 qt of water at 164.3 F 154.0 F
10 min Mash Out Add 16.00 qt of water at 187.4 F 168.0 F 
 
Notes

  1. Prepared 6L Yeast Starter from WLP830 - pitched @ 46F and fermented at 50F 
    Created with BeerSmith

I plan to keep on the yeast until it bottoms out and then transfer into the keg for 6 weeks of lagering.

Here is the recipe I’m planning to brew to celebrate my anniversary.  Since it is in October, I call it Novemberfest - beer, pork, beef, turkey, side dishes and desserts prepared from the recent harvest, and plenty of friend and neighbors.

The recipe was based on Fix’s Traditional Oktoberfest, Jamil’s Munich Madness, and tips from Desgining Great Beers.

5.8 gallons
4.6 lbs Rahr Premium Pilsner
3.7 lbs Weyermann Munich
2.8 lbs Weyernann Vienna
5 oz Belgian CaraVienna
5 oz Belgian CaraMunich
5 oz Weyerman CaraMunich III

Mash at 153F for 45 minutes

0.5 oz Perle (whole) 8.2%AA 45 minutes
1.1 oz Sterling (whole) 5.5%AA 30 minutes
0.8 oz Hallertauer (whole) 3.9%AA 15 minutes

Wyeast 2487 Hella-Bock

witsok - so where’s the invitation???  ;D

Usually send invites at the last minute.  Maybe end of September or early October?  TT? :wink:

Let us know how the recipe turns out.