Smoke Malt % in a IIPA

[erockrph]

@mblanks2

@majorvices

Well, if that’s the case what about try smoking the hops on a cold smoker?

That’s a thought for sure. I’ve had some people suggest scorching the hops in another vessel and adding to the bk. I’m just trying to consider the most repeatable scenario.
Who knows, maybe I’ll place a stainless plate under my spider and repeat the last brew day without having to clean the scorched material from the bottom of the kettle.
It truly is amazing how well this beer has aged and the flavors meld together. I really expected to eventually toss it all, now I want to brew it again.
It’s not what I would really consider an IIPA because there is basically no aroma but the bitterness is there then the sweetness of the caramel malts come through with just a hint of smokiness.

I’m wondering if any reactions happened between the hop oils and the hot wort. If you try scorching some hops I’d do it in a low gravity wort. Then you could collect it, cold crash it for a couple days, then run it through a coffee filter to try to get all the scorched bits out. I’d add it to the kettle at flameout.

[mblanks2]

@erockrph

@mblanks2

@majorvices

Well, if that’s the case what about try smoking the hops on a cold smoker?

That’s a thought for sure. I’ve had some people suggest scorching the hops in another vessel and adding to the bk. I’m just trying to consider the most repeatable scenario.
Who knows, maybe I’ll place a stainless plate under my spider and repeat the last brew day without having to clean the scorched material from the bottom of the kettle.
It truly is amazing how well this beer has aged and the flavors meld together. I really expected to eventually toss it all, now I want to brew it again.
It’s not what I would really consider an IIPA because there is basically no aroma but the bitterness is there then the sweetness of the caramel malts come through with just a hint of smokiness.

I’m wondering if any reactions happened between the hop oils and the hot wort. If you try scorching some hops I’d do it in a low gravity wort. Then you could collect it, cold crash it for a couple days, then run it through a coffee filter to try to get all the scorched bits out. I’d add it to the kettle at flameout.

This was something my LHBS owner suggested. We just haven’t decided on a good plan of action on it as of yet. That’s why I’m exploring additional options i.e. the smoke malt, etc.

[majorvices]

Since you suspect the flavor came from the scorched hops I would look that direction, and smoked hops - maybe even slightly charred hops on smoker or in oven - would be the way I’d go.

If the flavor really came from scorching I think you got really lucky. Every scorched beer I have ever tasted, (and have unfortunately tasted a few either from electric elements in BK, or from scorched malt in MT and from actual scorched wort from direct fire kettle), have all tasted more like the smoke you’d get from a cross between and ash tray and a tail pipe rather than pleasant wood smoke.

I’ve never smoked hops before, but I have heard of people who have done it. Now I’m excited to try it

[jonhughey_att.net (HoosierBrew)]

Trying to picture what hops would be better than others if you smoked them. I almost think that the really citrusy ones (Centennial, Amarillo, etc.) would be the least good and maybe the spicy or piney ones could be better given the added phenolic flavor. Just a WAG. I’d like to hear how a (deliberately) smoked hop beer came out for somebody.

[hopfenundmalz]

A few hers back Charlie P. wrote about a beer with smoked hops in Zymurgy.

[mblanks2]

Chinook and CTZ were used in this beer. I may try a small wort on the stove top with the intial FWH and slowly attempt a repeat. I just don’t want risk loosing a beer. I may come up with several opinions and opt to do smaller 1 gallon batches as a trial.

[majorvices]

@hopfenundmalz

A few hers back Charlie P. wrote about a beer with smoked hops in Zymurgy.

A few “hers” back. Is that how you count time in ex-wives?

[denny]

@hopfenundmalz

A few hers back Charlie P. wrote about a beer with smoked hops in Zymurgy.

IIRC, he was talking about it but I don’t believe he ever brewed it.

[hopfenundmalz]

@majorvices

@hopfenundmalz

A few hers back Charlie P. wrote about a beer with smoked hops in Zymurgy.

A few “hers” back. Is that how you count time in ex-wives?

If you’re going to have a typo it should be worthy of ridicule.

[jeffy]

@majorvices

Since you suspect the flavor came from the scorched hops I would look that direction, and smoked hops - maybe even slightly charred hops on smoker or in oven - would be the way I’d go.

If the flavor really came from scorching I think you got really lucky. Every scorched beer I have ever tasted, (and have unfortunately tasted a few either from electric elements in BK, or from scorched malt in MT and from actual scorched wort from direct fire kettle), have all tasted more like the smoke you’d get from a cross between and ash tray and a tail pipe rather than pleasant wood smoke.

I’ve never smoked hops before, but I have heard of people who have done it. Now I’m excited to try it

This is also my opinion on the aspect of scorched flavors.  I’m sensitive to it and can pick it up better than most, more as ashtray burnt than pleasant smokiness.
I’ve cold smoked hops.  Whole hops work better than pellets.  I smoked some Warrior and use them late and dry and got a lot more smoke in the end product than I expected.

[majorvices]

@jeffy

@majorvices

Since you suspect the flavor came from the scorched hops I would look that direction, and smoked hops - maybe even slightly charred hops on smoker or in oven - would be the way I’d go.

If the flavor really came from scorching I think you got really lucky. Every scorched beer I have ever tasted, (and have unfortunately tasted a few either from electric elements in BK, or from scorched malt in MT and from actual scorched wort from direct fire kettle), have all tasted more like the smoke you’d get from a cross between and ash tray and a tail pipe rather than pleasant wood smoke.

I’ve never smoked hops before, but I have heard of people who have done it. Now I’m excited to try it

This is also my opinion on the aspect of scorched flavors.  I’m sensitive to it and can pick it up better than most, more as ashtray burnt than pleasant smokiness.
I’ve cold smoked hops.  Whole hops work better than pellets.  I smoked some Warrior and use them late and dry and got a lot more smoke in the end product than I expected.

How did you like the beer, Jeff?

[jeffy]

@majorvices

@jeffy

@majorvices

Since you suspect the flavor came from the scorched hops I would look that direction, and smoked hops - maybe even slightly charred hops on smoker or in oven - would be the way I’d go.

If the flavor really came from scorching I think you got really lucky. Every scorched beer I have ever tasted, (and have unfortunately tasted a few either from electric elements in BK, or from scorched malt in MT and from actual scorched wort from direct fire kettle), have all tasted more like the smoke you’d get from a cross between and ash tray and a tail pipe rather than pleasant wood smoke.

I’ve never smoked hops before, but I have heard of people who have done it. Now I’m excited to try it

This is also my opinion on the aspect of scorched flavors.  I’m sensitive to it and can pick it up better than most, more as ashtray burnt than pleasant smokiness.
I’ve cold smoked hops.  Whole hops work better than pellets.  I smoked some Warrior and use them late and dry and got a lot more smoke in the end product than I expected.

How did you like the beer, Jeff?

Well, I like smoked beers.  This one was pretty good, smokier than I expected it to be.  It makes a nice shortcut if you’re brewing a hop-centric smoked beer.

[majorvices]

Cool, thanks for the feedback. I’m thinking about dry hopping an oz or tow of centennial to an IPA to a pin (5 gallon firkin). I expect it will be interesting, at least.

[hopfenundmalz]

@jeffy

@majorvices

Since you suspect the flavor came from the scorched hops I would look that direction, and smoked hops - maybe even slightly charred hops on smoker or in oven - would be the way I’d go.

If the flavor really came from scorching I think you got really lucky. Every scorched beer I have ever tasted, (and have unfortunately tasted a few either from electric elements in BK, or from scorched malt in MT and from actual scorched wort from direct fire kettle), have all tasted more like the smoke you’d get from a cross between and ash tray and a tail pipe rather than pleasant wood smoke.

I’ve never smoked hops before, but I have heard of people who have done it. Now I’m excited to try it

This is also my opinion on the aspect of scorched flavors.  I’m sensitive to it and can pick it up better than most, more as ashtray burnt than pleasant smokiness.
I’ve cold smoked hops.  Whole hops work better than pellets.  I smoked some Warrior and use them late and dry and got a lot more smoke in the end product than I expected.

Senior Smoke!

[mblanks2]

Lot’s of ideas to mull around here. I’m going to look at doing small split batches of maybe a gallon each.

1. Mildly burn/scorch some of the original fwh’s in a little wort in a separate vessel.
2. Cold smoke a small amount of hops to dry hop with or add to a 1 gallon batch while boiling.
3. Try a small percentage of smoke malt.
4. Maybe try to re-create the original scenario on a stainless plate to prevent the cleanup of the kettle.
5. Brew the original recipe without scorching the hops to see if it’s just not worth all the hassle, but with this level of complexity, I just don’t know.

[mblanks2]

18 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 9 76.6 %
.5 lbs Smoked Malt (Weyermann) (2.0 SRM) Grain 10 2.3 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 11 6.4 %
1 lbs Caramel Malt - 60L (Briess) (60.0 SRM) Grain 12 4.3 %
1 lbs Victory Malt (biscuit) (Briess) (28.0 SRM) Grain 13 4.3 %

So how does this look to get a “Slight” smoke flavor into this grain bill? This will still be 110 IBU’s calculated and an estimated 10% ABV. Aged for 8 month after primary. This is the original grain bill with added smoked malt also change the style to “Other Smoke Beer” with a higher than normal IBU level.

[chinaski]

If the beer turned out great, why not just do the same “mistake” again?  I take it scrubbing your brew kettle is the main sticking point?

[mblanks2]

@chinaski

If the beer turned out great, why not just do the same “mistake” again?  I take it scrubbing your brew kettle is the main sticking point?

Exactly! I have considered trying to repeat the process with a small stainless plate underneath the spider to prevent sticking to the kettle.