While I cannot argue that it doesn’t matter to you, I want to see if it matters to me. As you say; ”Until YOU do the experiments for yourself, you really don’t know. So, get your brew on and find out!” and “Question the conventional wisdom and check it out.”
That’s my intent.
(Edit for clarification and adding a quote)
Absolutely!
Yep, I find the absorbed wort is less than the volume I’d lose trying to run clear wort off a layer of pellet debris, and I get crystal clear wort using the cones as a filter bed (I auto siphon, first I put a stainless scrubby over the end of the cane, then jam it down under the hops, and Bob’s your uncle as they say.)
If you do have trub mixed into the yeast, rather than rinse, I think it would be better practice to grow it up through a starter, or better yet, just pitch the dirty slurry, allowing a little extra volume to account for the non yeast material (my usual approach these days.) As Klickitat Jim would say, trub doesn’t propagate!
I use a stainless mesh hop container - either the kind that hangs over the side of the boil kettle or the closed tube variety, typically. For whole cone, I use a strainer bag suspended up away from the heat (but I haven’t found whole cone easily for the hops I use most (Magnum for bittering, for example). I am sure that they are out there, but I just go with what my LHBS has and that is typically pellet form.
I found in my system that I didn’t get the hop utilization I wanted if I used mesh bags or even with one of those stainless things that hangs in the kettle. I have gone back to adding pellets, loose.
In the past I had been trying to find a way to keep all the debris from clogging my therminator and finally settled on running the hot wort through a Hearts Super Chiller https://heartshomebrew.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17_213&products_id=878 with well water until the wort was 100F or so, then running it through the therminator with ice water and directly into the fermenters.
It helps if I start a whirlpool with my brewing paddle and continue the whirlpool while chilling.
Most of the trub stays in the kettle.
I agree with this
As far as utilization with bags or stainless, I felt that I had that issue too. I really liked the filtration, so I just made one to the id of my kettle. It works great, but I like the idea of whole cone and commando. Another must try for myself I guess.
I watched another video recently that shows pellets and whole leaf dropped into separate erlenmeyer flasks of boiling water. The guys in the video are from Victory and they were touting their use of whole leaf. Though biased, they did make an interesting point: the water turned a brilliant green and filled with vegetation when pellets were added but the whole leaf turned its water a more yellow than green color.
They explained that this ‘yellow-ish-ness’ was simply the lupulin gland resins (what they’re after) vs the bright green ‘chlorophyll-ish-ness’ from the compressed strigs, bract, and other vegetive matter.
Made me say “huh, look at that.” I’d never seen that before.
Advantages of whole cone and commando (perhaps also pellet and commando) include: Hops added before the start of the boil break surface tension and help prevent boil over; the action of the circulating material promotes protein coagulation and break formation; and of course some increase in utilization. And the ability to use whole cones as a filter medium. These are all theoretical advantages you’ll see in books, but I have found them to be very real in my own experience.
I also definitely think I taste that color difference, if you know what I mean, BrewBama! (EDIT Mind you, that green stuff has its place. In there is a part of hop flavor and bitterness you’d miss without it, like if you just used lupulin or certain advanced products. But it’s a matter of balance. I find I can’t help but get too much “green” with pellets.)
Sounds like they need to look at Cryo hops
See my reply just above. You need the whole hop to get the whole effect. I’ve read about a lot of research done by big brewers trying to go to advanced hop products that lacked components of the green material, only contained extracts from the lupulin. They found it just didn’t make beery beer until they developed advanced extracts of the green, vegetal matter, to add along with the lupulin products. (References to this in Stan’s book.) It’s way easier to just use the whole thing in the first place. Whether you best achieve the effects with whole cones or pellets is a process decision to make in your brewery.
these days i only brew 3 beers, a german pilsner, a dry stout and a sour beer once a year so i think im going back to leaf too esp for my g pils, hop direct sells lbs of hallertau for 10 bucks
If you don’t brew often, pellets may be a better choice.
My key to buying bulk whole cone has been to accept that I’ll have no room for meat in my freezer.
Wait, that’s not what I meant to say! ;D
Seriously, I just have stopped focusing on specific hop varieties, and think in terms of categories of hops. A few varieties can make a wide range of beers. Even though like MattyAHA I don’t make a very wide range of beers either.
yeah Idk, i just like whole hops better, been using pellets for awhile they are great but for me there is something about using the hop in its dried natural state, just feels right, if i make an ipa which i dont anymore i will use pellets but for a pils give me some leaf
My point wasn’t as much space related as quality related. Pellets will keep better longer than whole hops.
Still, vacuum sealed in the freezer, whole cone is good for longer than it takes me to use them up. Probably at least a couple years, I’d think. I try to buy a year’s worth of my go-to varieties.
Doesn’t work that way for me, but maybe I have too much hops. Or don’t brew enough. Or both.
I was a “whole hop snob” for maybe the first 10 or so years that I brewed. Then a guy who is easily the best brewer in our club convinced me to give pellets a try. After a few brews I decided that was the way for me to go. For pils and most lagers these days, I’m using the American noble pellets from Yakima Chief. And I especially prefer pellets for continental hops, since whole hops can suffer so much in the journey.
Different strokes… I’ve given pellets an honest try for a couple of lengthy stretches, because I felt compelled to by the general trend in the market, but just am not happy with them. Variety available is the only advantage I see, but if I don’t like everything else, it’s a moot point and, as I said, I can easily find a hop to fit the category. It isn’t snobbery at all, just what I find works best.