That’s a bummer I suppose. Mine hold 9 gallons to the brim. And I usually have 6 transferred. I don’t think trub makes “obviously better” beer in my case, with the types of beers i make, but if I can shave off time and effort for same beer, I’m doing it.
Trub contains more nutrients, hence the “better” fermentation with it included. However trub coats the yeast cells and makes them act funny ( flavor detriments). Not to mention all the staling fats and lipids.
Clearer wort= more wort nutrients needed.
I use a step mash ( FAN) and my sauergut is loaded with zinc. Which solves all problems. Kunze is German and follows the same regimen.
My only problem with Brulosophy would be the perception that they are really scientific, or offer more than food for thought. It’s only one test of each hypothesis, with untold variables not controlled for; likewise the Stone experiment which was not pursued to its fullest. Some published trials run dozens of brews with only one variable, and apparently (since we’re talking about this) their conclusions are still debatable.
So Brulosophy is really just like any of us trying something for ourselves. It can make you think in fresh ways, and point the way to something worth exploring. It’s a starting point, and valuable for that.
Don’t believe things will work for you because they work for others. I mean, we’re dealing with physics and chemistry and biology that are real enough, but in their complex interplay under the conditions of your brewery, things are less deterministic.
Who cares if people choose to believe things or not.
Who cares about my opinion that much anyway.
Let your tastes buds be your guide. If you want to dump trub into the fermenter and the beer tastes good, righto.
Who cares anyway.
Point is this: I’m not going to stop doing what I’m doing because my sensory analysis of my own beer aligns directly with so called “conventional wisdom”. We all have to do what we have to do to be satisfied with our own beers.
In the end, it’s all that matters. Can’t change people’s minds with a jackhammer to the skull. It’s a finesse thing, and the best way is for people to try things and see if it works for them.
Why would you try to change people’s mind at all. Unless you have a monetization motivation, what is the point?
We sometime treat these public forums like a senate body, trying to converge onto one common idea or decision. That just leads to bickering. Luckily for us we don’t have to come to a consensus. We can disagree and do things differently than one another. We also have the luxury of small batch economies of scale. We can try things out and it doesn’t work, who cares.
The real value of a forum is the breadth of ideas and experience, not the depth of technical knowledge of whoever is regurgitating contemporary conventional wisdom. If conventional wisdom is what you want buy a textbook and get it straight from the source, not the internet.
The point is that people who are passionate about something are always trying to change people’s minds, whether subconsciously or not. I’m at a point where I’m stopping trying to do it at all in all my interactions. Part of it is burnout and part of it is that I don’t care what other people do.
Everyone deserves to put the beer they want into glass and enjoy it. Far be it from me to try and hammer unwanted information or opinions down people’s throats. I’m more than happy to help someone out but less likely to lead with my own ideas.
Jim,
I’d say your presence back on the forum taught me one very important thing: in an environment where those on the extremes think everything matters or nothing matters, it’s the people smack dab in the middle who either keep quiet or go away. Glad to see you made your back and I wish the last few years hadn’t been so polarizing as to push away others in your same position.
Hey man, it’s all good. It takes two to play tug of war. I’m hoping if people read the original post, that I’m not trying to sell trub transfer, lol. The pros and cons, as far as this context is concerned, are right there. I hope.
Hey wait, how much are the royalties for getting people to try trub transfer? I might have to rethink this [emoji848]
The first president of the Malt Munching Mash Monsters (my club) was a graduate student in Microbiology at LSUMC. His considered opinion was that trub is yeast food, and that it was a good thing.
In my almost 10 years of brewing, both amateur and pro, I have never worried about trub, and have seen no detrimental effects from putting it in the fermentors with the wort.
My batch with unrinsed yeast seems happy, maybe a little
fermenter trub carryover from the last batch does no harm if no good. But I’ll continue to avoid excessive trub from the kettle just to make yeast harvesting easier (knowing how much yeast is in my sludge.) Professionally this would be less of a problem, it’s easy to dump trub from the cone before yeast.
I have tried both ways, before I bought conicals I didn’t care. Now that I harvest yeast there is a lot less to wash if you leave it in the kettle. Another observation, I don’t use any fining other than whirlfloc, I have noticed my beers clear a little quicker if I leave the break in the kettle. As far as taste I don’t think it makes a difference worth worrying about
