Undercarbonation on keg with priming sugar

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Although I normally force carbonate my kegs with CO2, sometimes I like to use priming sugar to carbonate in the keg (esp. for styles that are OK sitting at room temp for a few weeks, and/or in cases where I open transfer and want to scavenge oxygen).

I use the carbonation calculator in BeerSmith, and as expected the amounts for corn sugar (and other sugars) are less for kegging than bottling. I’ve generally followed this, but also note that I consistently end up undercarbonated in the keg. This is no huge deal, because I can just force carbonate for the last little bit, but it is annoying.

As an example (consistent with my general experience). I kegged ~5.25 gallons of ale into my 5 gallon keg, noting that it was pretty close to full to the top. To hit ~2.8 volumes of CO2, at my fermentation/beer temperature of 66 degrees max (no cold crash, etc.), BeerSmith calculated ~2.6 oz of corn sugar required (bottling would be ~5.3 oz.). Knowing that my kegs usually undercarb, I rounded up to 3 oz. I let the keg sit ~2.5 weeks (sometimes I go longer - results are always the same). I measured the keg pressure (by depressurizing my CO2 tank regulator and then attaching it to my keg - the backpressure should give an estimate of keg pressure), and it was 16 psi at 68 degrees, or ~1.8 volumes of CO2.

So…what’s up? What’s causing this mismatch between the calculations and reality?

I posed this question during last night’s Homebrew Happy Hour presentation on packaging, and it was suggested (by Drew?) that I might be getting CO2 leakage if the lid is not firmly seated, esp. if I don’t pressurize the keg with an initial shot of CO2. I can say that I pressurize the keg after kegging, to this end. The only possibility I can think of is that I’m just not pressurizing enough, so the CO2 is dissolving into the beer, which reduces head pressure, and then gets a bit of leakage during early stages of the priming sugar getting fermented. (I unfortunately don’t remember what I pressurized to most recently, although it’s usually in the 15 to 25 psi range, maybe over 30, I think).

Any thoughts on this? Have others had problems getting full carbonation in keg priming? Should I just be sure to super pressurize the keg to 30 psi or more? Are the calculators just flat-out wrong, or at least wrong in my use case?

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I replaced all my O-rings with the softer yellow versions from MoreBeer. I have not had any issues with lids seating even before replacement under lower pressure. I lift up on the spring ring and then secure the lid. Check for leaks like you would a gas leak. Light soapy water and look for bubbles

As I replied for my beers I use 1/4 to 1/3 cup table sugar. Google says this is about 2.3 oz. I remember way back in the day the recommendation was to use 1/2 cup sugar for a 5 gal keg. That is 3.5 oz according to Google.

did you mix with water (and boil)?

So I would think you simple underprimed. I do not crash chill or purge with CO2 In fact I want a bit of yeast to come over.

My beers are ready to serve in 1.5 weeks.

edit. I roll my kegs around after priming and sealing to ensure the sugar is well mixed

No I do not have oxidized beer!!!

Well it does not oxidize within 1-2 months of serving which is as long as my beers last

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I mix the sugar with water and boil, dump that solution into the bottom of the keg, and rack the beer onto that. I’m not too worried about mixing (unlike in bottling), especially because it all should eventually get mixed to whatever extent is needed.

Kegs seem to hold pressure just fine otherwise…no leaks, including with a bubble check.

Yeah, so perhaps it is underprimed…or too much headspace in some cases…or something else!

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Physics works the same everywhere I can’t imagine it would be something else. My procedure is what you describe. Even before my beer engines I underprimed for the softer CO2. I would think that if you use more priming sugar allow more time for the yeast to eat through the sugar and condition properly. suggest 2 weeks then condition in your fridge for 3 days.

Edit again. After rereading your initial post, it would seem you are probably getting the correct CO2 amount based on the amount of priming used

I fill just to the lower end of the gas in short dip tube as a point of reference

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I have never heard that priming in a keg requires less sugar than priming the same volume in multiple bottles. I am curious about the logic/science behind this. Keg or bottles, in both cases you are packaging the same volume of the same beer. Same number of yeast cells. Why would a keg require nearly half the amount of sugar as bottles?

You are using 57% (3oz / 5.3oz) of the sugar indicated for bottling, and you are achieving 64% (1.8 vol / 2.8 vol) of the target CO2 volumes. I think the answer is to use the bottling amount.

Also, how does the carbonation seem to your palate?

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I’m curious on the science behind this, too. Pretty much every resource says to use less sugar for the same amount of beer in a keg. The explanations I have seen suggest it’s either something to do with the proportion of headspace in a keg (not sure that makes sense), or how people expect bottled beers to be more carbonated, so kegs should use less priming sugar to pour equivalently.

I’m beginning to wonder if it’s not just one of those homebrew myths. But perhaps there is some explanation out there? It’s clearly ingrained in our hobby.

Definitely undercarbonated! (as expected)

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I’ve primed kegs about 10 times in the last few years and it hasn’t been a problem at all as long as I hit it with a short burst of CO2 to ensure that there’s a good seal. Just a very small puff is all it takes. You might have bad O-rings or a leaking relief. I did have a leaky relief once. I always prime at the standard rate for kegs, traditionally the equivalent of 1/3 cup per 5 gallons. After about 10 days, it’s enough to push out a couple pints of perfectly carbonated beer.

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Cool to hear you’ve had good luck…another data point! I haven’t had any sign of leaky o-rings (the kegs hold pressure in all circumstances, and are quite pressurized even if disconnected from gas for a month or two or three, when force carbonating); I did have a bad relief once also, but back to normal once I swapped out the lid. All of this is why it’s so puzzling to me…ah well; maybe I’ll just have to adopt a “house standard” for keg priming.

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Back in the day I remember the recommendation was 3/4 cup corn sugar for bottling and 1/2 cup corn sugar for kegging. So 50% more for bottling. I never understood the mechanics behind it but it worked out. From there you can adjust as needed

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The important thing is to do what works for you. In homebrewing, empirical experience should always supersede conventional wisdom. (Edit: in ANY endeavor, empirical experience should always win.)

But personally, I need to know the science/logic behind the “conventional wisdom” of using different amounts of priming sugar in kegs vs. bottles before I accept it as true. In this case, unless you are only filling a keg half full, headspace alone cannot account for the difference.

I have done some searching using the Google and Internets but I cannot find the source(s) of this info. Hence my curiosity for this “fact”.

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I asked AI. To paraphrase in my own words, it’s a headspace thing, as well as a lower loss of natural CO2 when kegging vs. filling bottles. The relative headspace by percentage of total volume is higher in bottles than in kegs unless you underfill the keg. If you fill a keg within say 2 inches of the top or thereabouts, you should not have any problems using just 1/3 cup priming sugar for 5 gallons. But for bottles, you’re typically not filling within like 1/2 inch of the top… are you? If you did, you would need less priming sugar. If you leave the standard ~1.25 inch head space in the bottle that is left after pulling the racking cane out, then you do need 3/4 cup priming sugar for 5 gallons bottled. So it’s all relative. What might explain the OP’s issue is if he underfills the keg and there’s like 4 or 5 inches of head space. So maybe brew an extra 1-2 quarts and make that problem go away, OR add some distilled water to the keg to bring the level up, OR just use extra priming sugar – any of these options should help.

So here’s what Google had to say for me based on how I asked it the question:

“when adding priming sugar for bottles versus kegs in homebrewed beer for 5 gallons why is 3/4 cup needed for bottles but only 1/3 cup for kegs when the volume is the same either way?“

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Yeah, ultimately I’m thinking the head space thing is the issue here. I’m usually fairly full on the kegs, but also not consistent.

It’s kind of amazing to me that all of the references on this are various forum posts (some of them making some sense in the physics!), and I’ve not yet seen a suitable primary source (or semi-primary source) on the issue. There’s probably something lurking out there, and probably something semi-technical in a random homebrewing newsletter from 1997.

So much good discussion in this thread! Thank you!

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I figured this bit of conventional wisdom boiled down mostly to cumulative headspace. But it’s still hard for me to believe that head space makes that big a difference vis-a-vis the amount of priming sugar needed. This wisdom certainly does not seem to be working for Mr. Farke.

Gemini and ChatGPT will have to duke it out, because here’s what ChatGPT has to say about it.

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I wish we could post videos. I just vented my American bitter kegged wit 1/4 to 1/3 cup table sugar mixed with under 3/4 cup water. Had a nice CO2 release that I had to stop as beer started coming out of the release spring.

Kegged on Wednesday so this is conditioning nicely! I will be testing condition every day. Plan on serving Friday

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I too consulted a chatbot, and headspace was also the focus of the discussion. Despite various formulas and quasi-scientific language, the discussion still felt like it was largely based on “anecdata.” I find chatbots useful to a point, but I take it all with a grain of salt - several weeks ago a chatbot confidently informed me that I could legally propagate a plant because its patent had expired, and then backpedaled and apologized after I pulled up the patent and pointed out that the patent was still active for another six months.

That said, I am introducing what I hope is a process improvement, or at least a little more information about what I am doing. I am going to invest a little time in weighing each one of my 3 2.5 gallon kegs (each one is different, something I would rethink if I had to do it over), marking the weight on each keg, and then using water to weigh to several points near the max fill point. I have a spare bathroom scale I can donate to this cause. At minimum, I will know how much I actually kegged (edit: and conversely how much headspace is remaining). I would still need to tie up the fermentation fridge for natural carbonation, because “room temperature” in the garage has huge swings, but right now it’s such a struggle to find time for a brew day that isn’t much of an issue.

I would still like someone who does closed transfers and natural priming to tell me how that’s done. Not “I don’t do closed transfers because they aren’t necessary” but actually does both. It feels like a magic trick.

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Here is an article that shows how the amount of sugar is determined: A Primer on Priming It states “Determining the amount of priming sugar is based on the fact that adding 4 grams of sucrose (cane/beet/granulated sugar) per litre will ferment to give 1 volume of CO2:
4 g/l (1/2 oz/US gal) sucrose → 1 vol. CO2”. The CO2 remaining after fermentation is subtracted from the total desired. It has nothing to do with whether it is kegged. I”ve seen other similar discussions about how the formulas were determined, and none of them depend on whether the beer is kegged.

Another calculator: Priming Sugar Calculator | Bottle Carbonation Calculator-it states “Should I use a priming calculator for kegging?
If you are naturally keg conditioning with sugar instead of force-carbonating with a CO2 tank, yes! The math is exactly the same for natural conditioning.?

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Regarding weight measurements, don’t forget that wort weighs its specific gravity times as much as water does. So to convert back from weight to volume of a full keg of wort, you need to divide by the SG to see how much volume you would have had of water.

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In the AI photo that Dave provided I did not interpret closed transfers as actually closed transfers as the volumes of sugars used in priming kegs were developed before people really thought of that. Instead of closed transfers I took it to mean less agitation when transferring i.e taking more care than racking into 2 plus cases of 12 oz bottles.

I could see residual CO2 drop out under this scenario

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I used to listen to the internet and use half the amount of priming sugar for bottling in my kegs.

Experiment I did was I put half the amount of priming sugar in one keg then the whole amount in another. Two weeks later the half primed keg had half the PSI and the whole primed keg had the PSI stated on the keg carbonation chart.

I now use the same amount of priming sugar for bottling when I want to prime a keg.

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BYO’s Ask Mr. Wizard -Ashton Lewis - has some insight into this topic: Priming a Keg With Sugar - Brew Your Own

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