75% rice beer: bad idea?

Hey y’all,

So, I just had a crazy idea. It might not be technically feasible, let alone palatable, but hear me out.

I was on a Google/Wikipedia rabbit hole the other day, and was reminded of the different malt level-based tax designations in the Japanese brewing world. Specifically, in Japan, beer is only legally considered ‘beer’ for tax purposes if it is at least 67% malt. Right off the bat, I imagine this would eliminate some adjunct lagers from being designated as beer, and instead in Japan anything <67% malt is referred to as happoshu. Happoshu was originally brewed to evade higher taxes imposed on ‘beer,’ but my understanding is the tax burden reduction no longer kicks in or at least not as much as it did before until you get to the sub 25% malt mark.

Some additional tidbits about happoshu - it’s often considered a more affordable low end beverage analogous to malt liquor in the US, and some examples I’m sure are cheaply made and responsible for many a wicked hangover. However, much like DogFish Head and others at least briefly attempted to elevate malt liquor to craft status, why can’t the same be done for happoshu?

So, here’s my harebrained scheme: Create a hoppy happoshu (or, dare I say, hopposhu?!  8), because every terrible idea starts with a terrible beer pun, right?!). My concoction will consist of 75% rice and 25% high-enzyme malt. What I think I’m essentially doing is making a mash with adjunct levels comparable to a whiskey mash, but then hopping it like a pilsner. The backbone of this beer/happoshu, to the extent that there is one, will be extremely light and crisp, but hopefully not flavorless assuming I’m sufficiently selective about the type of rice I use.

To be fair, I have brewed sake before, where obviously 100% of the fermentables are rice, and although the gravity level, process and microorganism composition of the complex sake production process are markedly different than what I’m proposing here, by no means does a rice-only ‘beer’ like sake lack flavor. So I’m not particularly worried about making a flavorless beer/happoshu here, I’m more concerned about the technicals.

So, without further ado, here’s my idea:
6 gallon batch
8lbs rice (71.9%)
2lbs 5.9 oz Viking Enzyme malt (21.3%)
6.5oz acidulated malt (to hit my mash pH) (3.6%)
5.7oz table sugar (for priming, and to also to technically bump the total ‘non-malt’ fermentables above 75%).

General plan is to do a cereal mash with the rice and a portion (perhaps 1lb) of the enzyme malt, followed by a regular mash with the paltry remainder of the grain. Sparge and drain as usual, then boil with 1oz of Sorachi ace for 60 minutes followed by an additional 0.5oz of the same at 20 min and flameout. Chill then ferment cold with WLP830 German lager.

Anyone think this would work? I was considering having some UltraFerm on standby to throw into the mash to encourage conversion if the enzyme malt alone proved insufficient, but on paper 75% adjunct isn’t especially outlandish when one considers the world of spirits, so perhaps it won’t be necessary?

And again, I have no idea how any of this will end up tasting, which is definitely the most important thing, so curious for y’alls thoughts on that front as well. Thanks in advance, cheers!

The rule of thumb is as long as you keep the degrees Lintner higher than 30, it should convert, right?

PS — I’ve actually thought about doing something similar but with corn (maize) as a sort of historical what-if, since barley (as far as I can find out) was never grown in any significant quantity around here but corn was (and is).

PPS — Let us know if this works because I’ve got a bunch of Parish Rice that I was going to try in a batch.

Some of the newer strains of barley can have Lintner values of 200, Full Pint is one. I think the last 6 Row I bought was 180 lintner. If 25% of the grist is 6 row malt, you will be at 45 lintner. It should convert.

Based on this spec sheet and doing a quick calculation ( DP °Lintner = (°WK + 16) / 3.5) from windisch-kolbach to litner, looks like I’m sitting at about 181.7 Litner, so guess I should be good - thanks for the vote of confidence on the technicals! Now, as to whether it’ll be drinkable… well that’s a tougher question. I’ll have to report back if/when it gets made!

Ahh, but one little wrinkle. If I’m using any amount of my 6-row for the cereal mash, even if I’m just using 1lb 6-row per 8lbs rice, I will have fewer enzymes that make it to the main mash.
I’m too stubborn to use flaked rice for this - I want to use a nice fragrant rice of sort to optimize the rice flavor. So, I think to pull this off I’d have to throw enough enzymes into the cereal mash directly using the UltraFerm product, or vice-versa supplement the enzyme content of the main mash.

You could just cook the rice like normal … as I understand it, you just need to gelatinize the starch in the rice; so the cereal mash isn’t strictly necessary.

Once the rice is gelatinized & the rice is cool enough not to denature any amylase enzymes, combine it with the barley malt for your mash.

The Japanese laws were changed a few years ago. I think the minimum malt percentage for beer is now 50%. It has to be barley malt. Wheat malt doesn’t count.

That might be the route I take, as I agree that gelatinization of the starches is the crucial outcome of doing a cereal mash. I wonder if amylase enzymes being present in the cereal mash is important for helping release more starches/sugars from the rice and ultimately improve extraction. Of course, this would only apply at the beginning of the mash - holding the rice at normal mash temps for a bit before heating up to a boil, since above 168F-ish the enzymes will just be denatured anyway.

re: this and the thread in general - happoshu beers can be 100% rice (or unmalted grains) and enzymatically broken down for yeast to ferment. in japan theyre actually not bad because they at least balance this with bitterness and some care, and it ends up being a way nicer drink than a super discount beer made from barley and HFCS.

in korea they introduced this stuff as enzymatically broken down non-malted barley r something so it wasnt classified as “beer” for tax reasons and it was cheaper than beer. and again they hopped it well so it was actually bitter and it was better tasting than the crappier beers.

would you want to make a 50 or 75% rice beer at home? why? whats the aim?

Really no good reason other than the challenge and to try something new. Can’t exactly get happoshu in the US to my knowledge, so might as well try and make one to see what its like, whether it’s really just cheap swill or could potentially be elevated into something good or at least interesting.

Did you actually try this yet?

Nope not yet, got sidetracked by other brewing projects