I’ll look forward to it! I imagine it would be great in a beer like that. But it just reinforces my finding that some Briess specialty malts are OK, but stay away from the base malts. IMO.
Maybe I over generalized, but I’ve been to a lot of breweries outside the Midwest that use Briess. Anyway, the point I meant to get across was if you use something other than a North American base malt in an American ale, you might not get the character you were looking for.
I use Avangard Pils for every style other than British ale. It’s a dead ringer for Durst Pils at an unbelievable price point. My favorite British base malt is Thomas Fawcett Pearl. I do not brew West Coast-style American ale (life is too short to spend it immersed in citrus and pine ).
I have not found much difference between Briess and other American 2 row malts - but I so rarely use American base malts, that perhaps I should try to get some Rahr - it is cheaper from some sources. My main malts are Avengard Pilsner and English Maris Otters. But I brew a fair amount of English ales and very few hoppy beers - mostly BoPils and Helles with the pilsner malt. My favorite is Best Malz - floor malted! It’s more costly, but worth it.
Now that I’ve been brewing a lot more lagers, I’ve been contemplating buying a sack of good-quality Pils and just using that and/or MO for all my base malt needs. You may have finally convinced me. An I do brew West-Coast style American ale (I don’t get enough fruit in my diet…)
I’m looking to brew the La Cumbre ‘Project Dank’ IPA recipe in the last issue of Zymurgy, and it uses IIRC Canadian Pils as the base malt. In addition to LARGE amounts of hops, . I’m intrigued by the idea of the pils malt combined with that hopping level. We’ll see how it comes out.
EDIT - I brew West Coast ales (clearly). Life’s too short NOT to brew and drink citrusy, piney beers, aside from any number of other styles.
If I want citrus and pine, I can get it commercially. But if I want peach/mango/pineapple with a touch of dank citrus, or any other combo like that I have to do it myself if I want it done right (and fresh). As far as the pils malt thing goes, I have a few hoppy lagers under my belt and I think Pils malt works just as well as US 2-row with hops.
Yeah, I’ve used pils in IPLs and liked it, not with quite that hop schedule. I’m sure it’s great. As for the hops, I don’t spend a lot of time trying to duplicate commercial beers either - I’d rather experiment with new hops and combos. But I also decided I don’t want 5 gallons of fruit bomb APA or IPA as a rule, so there is generally some combo of pine/dank, citrus, floral, and fruity hop characters for most of mine.