First wort hopping help

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I am brewing an IPA on Tuesday which I intend to do a 60 min boil with 0 hops in the boil.  I am adding warrior in FWH and Citra,galazy and mosaic at whirlpool-

Question is, i just read an article that recommended NOT adding high alpha hops (like Warrior) to FWH as some claim it adds an unpleasant bitterness/flavor

Does anyone have any experience with this?  Am I setting up to make a pour(get the pun?) choice?

My intent is a high flavor,juicy IPA with low IBU, or perceived bitterness

Thanks

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I FWH all the time, often with Warrior and find the opposite to be true - it makes for a less harsh bitterness.

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Thanks man-

so next question- can I just drop my 60 min additions and only do FWH?

I originally planned to but second guessed it,splitting 1/2 in FWH and 1/2 at 60min after reading the article…

.75oz Warrior FWH = ~33ibu was my intention

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Yes.  At this point I exclusively FWH, never 60 min additions anymore.

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+1 to using high AA hops for FWH. No worries.

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right on- thank you gents

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To my palate, assuming around 14% alpha, this amount of Warrior lands somewhere in the mid-40s IBUs for a 6 gallon batch.

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Great to know- thanks

edit- how much warrior do you typically add for your IPAs?

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i posted my recipe yesterday -

5.25g batch

.75 warrior fwh

whirlpool 175 for 45min
1.5oz mosaic
1.5oz galaxy
1.5oz citra

dryhop
.5oz citra
.05oz mosaci
.05oz galaxy

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About that much.  But I don’t brew them very often, so I’ll defer to Hoosier - I think he’s the cool whirlpool champion around here!!  He might say to use more…

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Yep.  :)  Those amounts (assuming no other boil additions) are pretty much APA level to me. Personally, I’d double the whirlpool additions and triple the dry additions for an AIPA. Sounds like a lot but I think you’d be happy with the results !

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i guess im confused on whirpool vs boil at this point…

if i put this amount in during boil it would be over 100 IBUs, but now i need to double the amount to get the juicy fruit bomb im looking for?  i guess it seems like the utilization is not there for me or am I looking at this wrong?  Im not concerned about the cost of the hops… I guess it confuses me on why whirlpool additions are better than boil additions

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been brewing for 10+ years but the fwh and whirlpool thing is totally new to me

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All in the boil, you’re right - IBUs would be much higher. But added at 170-175 you won’t perceive the IBUs as near that high. A lot of IPA recipes from years past showed 2 oz additions at 15, 10, 5 and 0 - 8 oz total. So what you’re doing is adding those 8 oz at a time when far less bitterness is extracted, and better flavor and aroma extracted (not boiled off). By no means am I saying this is the only way to make a good IPA - it’s just what I like doing and like the results. Lots of ways to get there.

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no worries- I hope i didnt come off that way either- just trying to wrap my head around it-  makes sense.  so please correct me if im wrong…

FWH additions:
.75oz Warrior

Whirlpool additions (175 for 45min)
3oz galaxy
3oz Citra
3oz Mosaic

Dryhop:
3oz galaxy
3oz Citra
3oz Mosaic

thats the juicy fruit bomb im looking for?

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I think 4-5 oz dry total would be better - you’ll pick up some nice aroma from the stand, too. If you do it this way I’ll be curious to see what you think.

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BAH!  you can use any hops you like for FWH.  I have and continue to use high alpha hops if they have the character I want.

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Good to know sir

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Right on-  Im got to my LHS tomorrow and gonna go with your recommendation,  I will let you know how it tastes in a few weeks!!

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My very general suggestion for total late hopping rates, including dry hops:

  • APA 1-2 lb/bbl
  • AIPA 2-4 lb/bbl
  • IIPA >4 lb/bbl

1 lb/bbl is ~0.5 oz/gal, so 18 oz in 5 gal is ~7 lb/bbl.