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6lbs Rahr 2 Row
3lbs white wheat
1/4 oz Columbus 14.5% AA for 60 minutes
3/4oz Columbus 15 minutes
1oz Simcoe 15 minutes
1oz Columbus 10 minutes
1oz Simcoe 10 minutes
1oz Columbus 5 minutes
1oz Simcoe 5 minutes
BRY-97 yeast
Looks like it would be hopping. I’d think about moving the 60 to FWH and the 5 to dry hop
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I usually do like to FWH but with a beer this light I plan on doing at least a 75 minute boil to avoid DMS. I think that would be too long. The dry hop idea is intriguing. Though I may just do that with a couple more ounces of Columbus.
You don’t have any pilsner malt in there, so DMS shouldn’t be a concern.
75 minutes isn’t too long for FWH. However, to my taste, beers that are made with all late hope/FWH additions seem to lack some hop bitterness backbone. Even if you’re not going for a bitter beer I’d recommend leaving the 60 minute addition. You could also FWH if you wanted to but do it by moving some of the flavor additions back to FWH additions.
I thought DMS was a problem with any lighter malt. I would prefer not to waste the time or the propane if I don’t have to.
After doing something very similar, I would be careful to not overhop this one. My grain bill was 5# Vienna and 5# White Wheat with Columbus hopped throughout. I only use 1/4 oz of Columbus for bittering as well with a total of 3 oz for the whole batch including 1 oz for dry hopping.
After 3 weeks, it is barely drinkable but I am hoping it will mellow with time. I was going for something between an american wheat beer and an APA but it turned out like an extremely bitter IPA from a hops standpoint. It is called “hoppy b****” at this point.
I would recommend adding 5-10% carapils or something to help balance the beer out. This is all based on my recent experience so take it for what it is. I found it more difficult than I thought it would be to create what I was going for due to such a light bodied delicate base.
The DMS precursors are much higher in pilsner malt due to the malting/kilning process (lower temps), thus the need for the longer boil to drive them off. 2-row pale malt still has some of the precursors, but at much lower levels, so you can get away with 60 minutes.
There is a clone recipe in an earlier Zymurgy (4 back) from the brewers at Deschuttes for Chainbreaker White IPA. The best I’ve had.
Yeah I suppose it depends on what he is going for. I would consider “hoppy wheat” and wheat IPA different ideas especially if you are going the Chainbreaker route with a belgian yeast.
Sounds like I might want to just use my usual IPA grain bill if I want to experiment with this hop schedule.
I say do what you want to do but just be cautious. I am not very knowledgeable compared to most around here so I just speak from my recent experience.
My two recent relevant experiences
1.) All munich APA with Zythos - decent beer but hop character is completely overriddden by munich malt
2.) light bodied american wheat/APA with Columbus - just the oppossite of #1 (at this point)
I shouldn’t really compare the two but have been learning a lot about how to balance the grain bill with the appropriate amount of hops. Apparently, I still have much to learn…
Then you didn’t use enough hops!
Yep that was my point. Not enough hops in my all munich beer and too much hops in my wheat.
How about a white wheat single hopped with 3oz of Simcoe?
little bit of simcoe and a lot of sorachi ace would make a real nice wheat too!
This is what I ended up brewing
BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: White Wheat Hoppimania
Brewer: Roger
Asst Brewer: Ralph the Wonderdog
Style: American Wheat or Rye Beer
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)
Recipe Specifications
Boil Size: 5.70 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.048 SG
Estimated Color: 3.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 50.8 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 66.7 %
3 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 2 33.3 %
0.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 3 13.4 IBUs
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 4 13.1 IBUs
0.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 6.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 6 8.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 9.5 IBUs
Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 9 lbs
Should be good and hoppy.
I am still hoping my all columbus wheat will mellow out because it is currently barely drinkable at 33 IBUs. I should have used another hop type but really wanted to try an all columbus beer. Oh well, you brew and you learn.
I did a columbus IPA. It came out really good. I call it my New World IPA really like columbus hops. They seem to have a little of everything.
It wasn’t exactly single hopped but enough that I believe the columbus is the predominant flavor.
BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: New World IPA
Brewer: Roger
Asst Brewer: Ralph the Wonderdog
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)
Recipe Specifications
Boil Size: 5.70 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
Estimated Color: 7.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 140.9 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 81.6 %
1 lbs Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.2 %
12.0 oz Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3 6.1 %
8.0 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 4 4.1 %
1.00 oz Mt. Hood [3.60 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 5 14.2 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 20. Hop 6 30.4 IBUs
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 15. Hop 7 49.8 IBUs
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 10. Hop 8 36.4 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 5.0 Hop 9 10.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Nottingham (Danstar #-) [23.66 ml] Yeast 10 -
2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 12 lbs 4.0 oz
I just sampled this White Wheat beer before kegging it. I must say this is the best tasting beer I have ever made. Good hop presence but not overwhelming.