I was wondering how everyone (especially bjcp judges) felt about a touch of sulfer in an Lt Am lager? Personally I like a little sulfur in most lagers, but the bjcp guidelines don’t really say good or bad.
If its a touch, and pleasant, I think its fine. 1a calls for low levels of yeast character, since its a lager that would include sulfur. In my opinion…
I am not a BJCP judge, but to me a Light American Lager should be super, super clean. Since there is virtually no malt character, there is really nothing for that sulfur to hide behind. I like a touch of sulfur in my German lagers, but I don’t think I’d want any in a Light American Lager.
+1
A touch in a light lager would not be the same amount as a touch in a german pils because theres nothing to hide behind. Also to me a touch is about the same measurement as a hint. Barely noticeable
If its a touch and pleasant, you’re likely to find judges that agree. However, you’ll also find judges who believe that less is always better in that category. If it’s well made and the sulfur is very light, it’s likely to be the best beer on the light American lager table in many competitions. I’ve never judged that category, but I’d guess there are many entries with medium to strong flaws.
Same here. It would be OK in a Euro pils, but not ALL.
I’ve never brewed a light American lager, but if I did I’d use the Mexican lager strain. It’s totally clean and doesn’t have the Bud ‘appley’ character I don’t care for.
If its a touch and pleasant, you’re likely to find judges that agree. However, you’ll also find judges who believe that less is always better in that category. If it’s well made and the sulfur is very light, it’s likely to be the best beer on the light American lager table in many competitions. I’ve never judged that category, but I’d guess there are many entries with medium to strong flaws.
Not just homebrewed version, but the commecial examples. Busch Light tastes like lemons, Old Milwaukee tastes like dishwater. Only PBR is squeaky clean and delicious.
So the #1 example of the style is bitburger lite (hmmm German? ). It’s not available around here, but a little sulfur in it wouldn’t surprise me.

Personally I like a little sulfur in most lagers, but the bjcp guidelines don’t really say good or bad.
Actually, I just read the guidelines and it does say “Low levels of yeast character (green apples, DMS, or fruitiness) are optional but acceptable.” DMS is a sulfur compound. I still think you will find judges who feel both ways.
I don’t like sulfur at all. Luckily it always ages out. Unluckily for light lager, you want to drink the beer young. Hopefully it ages out and still tastes fresh.
all comes down to objectives here. for personal taste and consumption, sulfur away. for competition, might be a risk.
The problem is that a little bit in an Am. Light Lager stands out like a lit match (ha!) at night.
I wouldn’t deep-six a Light Lager for having a bit of sulphur, provided it was light within the context of Am. Light Lager, and especially if it dissipated. It might cost it a point or two in the aroma section, and maybe one or two in flavor if it came through there too, but that’s about it. We might be looking at a 37 instead of say a 40 hypothetically.
It becomes problematic when it pushes up to and gets beyond that threshold of ‘light’. The notion “Light” must be qualified to mean “light within the context of the style”. For example, light esters in an English Pale Ale would be obnoxiously fruity in a Light Lager. Light in 1A is REALLY light.
Now, in a BOS round, even subtle sulphur could well likely end up being enough of a subtle factor that knocks it from the table, while an appropriately light sulphur in 2A would not be challenged. It depends on what the other subtle factors are in all the other beers that may knock THEM from the table.
Hope this made some sense.
Steve
Sulphur is a flavor: flavor is a no-no in lite American lager.
Sulphur is a flavor: flavor is a no-no in lite American lager.
Distilled water carbonated to 2.5 volumes would be a 50?
There’s flavor in 1a if done right. There’s a touch of a lot of stuff in a good one.
Knock ALL all you care to, but try Annie Johnson’s before you say it has no flavor.
+1 Denny-
She makes some great ones.
Folks knock it, but Cat 1 is usually a lot more fun to judge than many would think. 1 is normally dominated by Helles, with a couple of ballsy folks attempting 1a-c. Those folks entering those beers tend to be the most experienced brewers, and their beers tend to have the fewest faults (or at least the most benign). Those that are flawed tend to be pretty easy to identify (estery, diacetyl, acetaldehyde). You aren’t hammered before lunch, either. Then Cat 19 in the afternoon isn’t going to knock you on your butt.
This is even more important if you end up doing BOS too.
Steve, if you’re not hammered by lunch, you’re not judging hard enough. [emoji6]
See you in March-