Hello everyone I’m wondering if you guys go through the process of pbw with brand new 5 gallon Italian glass carboys or just go straight to starsan?
Never hurts to give it a good cleaning! Takes a few minutes and may save your beer. They say you cant sanitize whats not clean
They say there’s two kinds of carboys: broken ones and those that will. Carboys will slice your arm, leg, or worse. Use plastic or better yet, stainless.
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Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.
If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it’s new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
PBW wouldn’t hurt and then sanitize with Starsan. Be sure to get a good carboy carrier strap for safety.
i have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.
i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.
i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.
I second the strap, a kettle with a valve is going to be your best friend when using carboys as well!
I think it might have been your imagination.
full truth, it might have been other factors or poor practices, as i was in korea at a time when virtually no one had heard of homebrewing there (now it’s popular). i was scrounging various materials for equipment.

Never hurts to give it a good cleaning! Takes a few minutes and may save your beer. They say you cant sanitize whats not clean
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I have 7 coming and it’s such a hassle

ahgrafx:
Hello everyone I’m wondering if you guys go through the process of pbw with brand new 5 gallon Italian glass carboys or just go straight to starsan?
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They say there’s two kinds of carboys: broken ones and those that will. Carboys will slice your arm, leg, or worse. Use plastic or better yet, stainless.
Cheers! [emoji482]
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Can’t age in plastic
Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.
If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it’s new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can’t age in plastic I’m doing cider there is no other option

i have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.
i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.
i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.
That is what I say, you can’t age in plastic it is permeable you will get oxidation.

fredthecat:
i have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.
i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.
i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.
I think it might have been your imagination.
Nope they are permeable

Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.
If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it’s new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can’t age in plastic I’m doing cider there is no other option
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Use LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.

denny:
fredthecat:
i have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.
i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.
i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.
I think it might have been your imagination.
Nope they are permeable
I have aged beers in plastic for up to 6 months, and I can very confidently say, as can some of my fellow beer snobs who are judges and have tried these beers, that there was no hint of oxidative damage.
Plastic fermenters might have oxygen permeability that is measurable in a lab, I won’t argue with that, but it is not enough to be measurable via the only equipment that matters to me, i.e. my own palate. AFAIC, reality continuous to be victorious over theory in this regard.
The problem is not during fermentation because it is putting off CO2 Its in the aging after racking when there is no CO2

ahgrafx:
Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.
If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it’s new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can’t age in plastic I’m doing cider there is no other option
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Use LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.
I feremting cider not beer.
ahgrafx:
denny:
fredthecat:
i have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.
i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.
i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.
I think it might have been your imagination.
Nope they are permeable
I have aged beers in plastic for up to 6 months, and I can very confidently say, as can some of my fellow beer snobs who are judges and have tried these beers, that there was no hint of oxidative damage.
Plastic fermenters might have oxygen permeability that is measurable in a lab, I won’t argue with that, but it is not enough to be measurable via the only equipment that matters to me, i.e. my own palate. AFAIC, reality continuous to be victorious over theory in this regard.

The problem is not during fermentation because it is putting off CO2 Its in the aging after racking when there is no CO2
denny:
ahgrafx:
Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.
If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it’s new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can’t age in plastic I’m doing cider there is no other option
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Use LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.
I understand. I have been making cider for 25 years, most of it in plastic fermenter. Have you actually had a problem you can trace to HDPE fermenters?

The problem is not during fermentation because it is putting off CO2 Its in the aging after racking when there is no CO2
denny:
ahgrafx:
Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.
If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it’s new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can’t age in plastic I’m doing cider there is no other option
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Use LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.
I understand. I have been making cider for 25 years, most of it in plastic fermenter. Have you actually had a problem you can trace to HDPE fermenters?