Saaz or Hallertauer Mitt?

Being an ale guy recently getting into lager I haven’t brewed with either. What do you guys prefer for a pils and how heavily do you tend to late hop with the style? I was thinking about a FWH & 10m addition but open to suggestions.

If I understand correctly a Czech pils uses all Saaz, German styles hop heavier and use German noble hops, and Helles is a lighter hopped pils? Anyway my recipe is:

100% Pils (well almost 100%, a touch of acid malt for ph)
Czechvar Yeast
1.048

Sounds like Best is the preferred pils grain?

IMO, FWH is in no way a sub for a 60 min, addition.  For a pils, I do FWH, 60 and 0 for hops.  I make only German pils and use either Hallertau or Tettnang most of the time.  I shoot for maybe 40ish IBU.  Sometimes I’ll toss in a lb. of Munich II to bump up the malt, sometimes I don’t.  After using a lot of different continental malts, I’ve settled on Best as my favorite.

FWH, 60, 0 sounds like a good schedule

For a traditional bopils you want to use all saaz but don’t feel like you have to limit yourself to what tradition calls for. You can brew a bopils-style pilsner with German noble varieties or some of the eastern European varieties. Just depends on what you desire in your beer.

+1.  And while not European grown noble varieties, there are some really nice American hops of noble origin like Mt Hood, Liberty, Sterling,Crystal, etc. Those make really nice beers.

+1 to really enjoying Mt. Hood and Liberty in clean lagers.

also like select spalt mixed with Hallertauer  and magnum. 40ish IBU for northern ger pils also.

Czechvar yeast makes a fine Czech Pils, but is too soft for German Pils. Saaz is the traditional choice for that style, and may be expected if this is for a competition. Otherwise any noble or noble-ish hop will suit you just fine. I agree with all the other varieties mentioned by others and will add that Ultra makes a nice choice as well.

Saaz is almost required for a Czeck Pils, but it does well in a German Pils too. HM and Tettnager are ones I often use in my German Pils.

On the American derivatives, ones not mentioned but worthy of using in a brew just to see are Vangaurd and Santium. Or use several in a German Pils. I have made some good ones using Vangaurd, Tettnanger, and HM or Sazz for bittering, flavor, and aroma respectively. Some are saying to make a blend, and use that blend for all additions - that is one the list to do!

Blending is fun and great way to find something you like. up this weekend is a pils with 4 hop blend for 40IBU:

0.75 oz Magnum [12.40 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 3 26.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Hallertauer [2.70 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 4 4.3 IBUs
1.00 oz Saaz [3.60 %] -      Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 5.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Select Spalt [2.40 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 3.8 IBUs

Either one would work well in a pilsner. Blend them?

Good information in your post.

For hop additions I follow the Kai schedule. Maybe load up a little more on the end.

Czech Pils malt is from Moravia, and is of the Hanka/Hanna(SP?) varieties. PU malts their own malt, so there is always the question in my mind as to what color is it kilned to.

This is great info - I think I’m gonna follow that schedule with HM for my next pils & add 5% light Crystal or Munich

All looks good except for the FG on the pils… needs to be closer to 1.008 :slight_smile:

Czech Pilsner should have FG about 1014.