Once again I’m trying to “educate” myself. Picking reds that are rated 90 and above but less than $13 a bottle. Had some very decent wine. Experienced some bold tobacco, berry and leather combinations from sweet to smooth and dry. California, Chile and Italy.
But I really don’t know squat about it (wine) except that in this price range the wine begins to please my palate. Buy under $9 and not so great. So I’m seeking advice on wine. Even considering brewing up a kit from the LHBS.
Particularly, quickly noticing an enhancement in how I taste beer and food after having a couple glasses of red wine. Really wakes up the palate and I’m much more sensitive to flavors and aromas. Ideas? Thoughts?
Good taste! Pinots around here are spectacular. I’ve got 5-6 wineries within a few miles of me. One of them made a pinot that was called the world’s best by Wine Spectator in about 98.
oregon pinot is great. also, pinot from the russian river valley in northern california is really amazing. With pinot you are looking for a growing area that is cool during the summer to avoid overly fruity wine.
Well, if you really want to push your learning quickly, here’s what I’d recommend: find a very good wine shop, and spend the ~$20 a bottle it will take to get yourself into some really impressive examples. Find a shop that has a good selection - ask if they have a decent selection of bottles from Kermit Lynch, Louis Dressner or Terry Theisse - if they don’t, they are the equivalent of Bud/Miller/Coors pushers. Might not be easy in South Central Texas, but take a shot. I think Texas allows direct shipping, and if you want a great shop to get started, go to Chambers St Wines in NYC. You can make your own choices, but if you call them at 212.227.1434 and ask them to put you a case together, you may get some of the greatest wines available at that price point. My recommendations for styles (and there a few whites in here):
Bordeaux Red or Loire Cab Franc
Burgundy Red and White
Cotes du Rhone or other Southern French
Alsace white
Sauternes or Quarts de Chaume
Italian Bonarda
Loire White
German Riesling
Cru Beaulolais
Grower Champagne
Some bottles may be less and some more, or they may make other recommendations on styles, but trust them - if you order from Chambers St, you may have the best store in the country. That’s six reds and six whites, but they’ll pick you out winners if you want to lean more toward the reds - just let them know. Maybe you could lose the Champagne and try something else red from California or Italy. It’s a perfect time to ship right now, too.
It’s a great journey, and the variety of styles and the depth of the subject is both a challenge and a pure joy.
BTW, these guys are not big on the wine critics and point scales, so don’t be shocked if they aren’t supportive of the concept of “90 pointers.” They know their wine very well, in many cases better than the critics.
Thanks Ken. That’s right there with what I’m getting at.
Tried some Pinot Noir- Fire Steed from Oregon (their Willamette Valley was too expensive), and a Louis Latour. The Fire Steed blew the Latour out of the water, while both being quite good.
Reverted to Zin and Cabs which since they are so pronounced or bold are easy to fall back upon. They’ve all tasted different while maintaining an uniqueness. The Ravens Wood Vintners Blend (California 08) I’m savoring right now is very nice while reminding me that it is grape-juice after all. ;D
For a good reasonably priced Cabernet look at HEB for Los Vascos(very good) and Los Vascos Reserve(excellent). They’re Chilean wines produced by the Rothchild family of France. You’re looking at $13-$17 per bottle.
My wife is a very picky wine drinker, if it’s not from her village the likelihood of her enjoying it is slim and she loves these wines.
My go-to for inexpensive when I was living in NYC was K&D on the UWS - http://www.kdwine.com
I’ve never been to Chambers St so I can’t talk about that.
My go-to is, of course, French, because they’re cheaper here - orders of magnitude cheaper - and I go by region instead of grape, as seems to be the wont in the US. For some really interesting things, I’d recommend the following, which are my favorites:
Also, don’t forget that millesime is important - the year of the harvest. For example, 2005 Bourgogne is one of the best (and most expensive) young French reds you can buy, but you can barely give away 2007.
For something inexpensive but amazing, try to find a Gigondas from 2005 or 2007. The 2007s should be fairly low priced (especially around here - $10 a bottle). For example, E. Guigal Gigondas Red 2007 on K&D’s website is listed at $25, but you can probably find it cheaper.
Wine Spectator seems to have some sound advice. I have “Vintage Chart” app from WS on my iphone. It’s the year of the wine that seems to make a huge difference in the quality of the wine from region to region. WS magazine is also very informative.
The WSJ used to have a wine column, not sure if they still do. Either way, it had very sound advice and I know the authors wrote some books. As in brewing, reading about wine should help.
Argentinian and Chilean wines can be some very good values. You should be able to find cabernet, malbec, merlot and just about any red wine from these regions.
Here in Chicago, I tend to go mostly to the Wine Discount Center which is an awesome place.
One thing to keep in mind is that the same grapes are grown in different regions and countries and can produce very different wines. From country to country they may also be called something different. For example, French burgundy is made from pinot noir grapes. They just call it Burgundy (after the region the grapes are grown) and not pinot noir (after the grapes). Shiraz and syrah are also the same.
Most wines will also be a blend of grapes. A good label should tell you what’s in it.
I’d say, don’t be afraid of trying something you’ve never heard of, keep in your price range, and go for it.
This is very interesting. Ha- a bunch of beer drinkers that like good food, liquor and wine! And the $120-250 case is tempting. Get one every month or two.
What gets me that there is so many to choose from. Literally hundreds at the store I stop by at after work to pick up last minute groceries and beer. Literally one entire aisle and it isn’t the largest I’ve seen in the same chain of stores across town. Made some shrewd choices and I’ve enjoyed every single wine so far- though the Louis Latour Pinot Noir wasn’t to my liking at first but the next day it had mellowed quite a bit and more to my liking. It was musty and vegetal in a big way upfront and at first I thought the bottle was bad.
How long can an opened bottle sit with a cork before spoiling? I’m assuming that oxidation will takes its toll. And should red wine breath?
Oxidation happens pretty quickly with wine. You can buy vacuum sealers that work with a pump and will preserve the wine a little longer. That and keeping it in the fridge over night. A day or two is probably the max you would want to keep a wine, but as in all things YMMV. Left open, it won’t spoil, per se, but the flavors will degrade.
Not all red wine needs to breath. Older wines need it more. As you noted, wine will change as it breathes. Bigger wines (cabernet, heavy reds) tend to change more, as there’s more complexity.
As noted above, I can’t speak much to white wines…
