I was wondering about blending an ale yeast strain with a lager yeast strain to see what kind of influence I can achieve. Not sure which strains to blend but my thought is to ferment on the warmer side to coax the fruitiness from the lager strain whereby the ale strain will perform “normal”.
Am I nuts wasting time and resources or is this viable to achieve a favorable outcome?
Has anyone tried this themselves? Worth it or waste of effort?
I’ve never tried it and certainly defer to Denny’s experience.
But…
This is your hobby and whatever makes it fun for you. Whatever keeps the fire burning. Personally, it sounds like a neat little experiment and might be fun to run the mix out for a few batches. Or not.
I like unpredictable. It’s the unknown that may produce a positive outcome, similar to natural selection itself. I will assume that you have tried blending both types of yeast? Which brings me to your own yeast strain. How did you produce it?
I never said I didn’t want control over my brewing. Any serious brewer would and I count myself as a serious brewer. I’m talking about moving outside that paradigm and experimenting with the unknown.
I apologize if that came off as an insult. It certainly wasn’t intended that way. I find your statement kinda contradictory…you say you want control, but you also want to give up control. Again, that’s fine. We don’t all have to brew the same way.
No harm no foul. I believe I was clear of my intent on first post though. Sometimes intentional mistakes produce good results or at least in this case, I will find out.
It sounds like an interesting experiment. If it keeps the hobby fun, do it. You don’t need permission or approval from anyone. I, for one, would love to hear how you make out.
I have often done split batches with two different yeasts. That’s a great way to compare the differences that each one makes. You could do that and then blend them a little at a time to see what you get.
I don’t think I have ever blended lager yeasts with ale yeasts, but I have often blended yeasts when targeting specific combinations of characteristics. My best beers I’ve made are almost always from yeast blends. (And less frequently, some of my worst beers too, TBH.)
I’ve taken some blends out to 5-7 generations, with reasonable consistency. Some drift quickly, but some stay pretty close to the original blend. I usually try to match reproductive speed & lag for that reason.
Do it! Best case scenario: your best beer ever. Worst case scenario: probably still a drinkable beer.
I am no biologist and I certainly appreciate the yeast propigating vendors out there. Is this blending/grafting akin to the Lallemand Novalager yeast now marketed? I have had wonderful results with Novalager. Again - I have no biology background and may be missing the point entirely. Novalager worked well out to about 8 total re-pitches for me (I quit at that point to brew some ales that I had been holding off brewing to see how well the re-pitched Novalager would go…)