I am a fan of Belle Saison… and it has served me well with awards and good scores throughout. To counter the feedback that folks find the flavors odd or askew from traditional saisons - I have not had the same experience. My saison recipe is fairly standard - belgian pils, some wheat or rye, and a tiny bit of crystal (I have been using special b lately), OG around 1.050 or lower - no spices. I find the sweet spot for me is to pitch (rehydrated) at 66-68F and let this free rise to room temperature (71F-73F) ambient. While the first pitch takes a bit longer to ferment dry (14-18 days), subsequent repitches have been far more aggressive and attenuative (3-4 days to FG).
If you think you are at FG with Belle, I would suggest checking again after about 3-5 days, rather than day to day. All of my Belle based saisons have finished below 1.005.
I love racking these onto fruit for secondary fermentation or into my sour barrel for re-ferment on Brett Brux and dregs from various sours. or both. I often will add a 1/4 lb of honey into the sour barrel with a new beer to kick up the fermentation - and top up along the way.
As a comparison, I just brewed the same saison recipe on WLP568 and was extremely disappointed. Not only did it finish much higher (6 week primary), the flavor seems concentrated and tilted toward phenolics. The batch was fermented at 66F- with a rise after 7 days to 70F. Finished at 1.012, not dry, kind of chewy. The esters are very disappointing and I am considering adding a spice tincture to see if it helps make it palatable.
My quince saison has been sitting in secondary for the better part of two months now. Primary with BelleSaison, secondary with stewed quince, as well as quince syrup, and a pack of Wyeast5112 Brett brux.
Finally starting to smell like a fruit beer, instead of a big jug of Belle Saison culture.
So yes, I’m all for patience. I’ll see if I can do some experimenting with BS at various temperatures to find out where that overpowering presence is coming from.
Quincy’s been bottled, and after just over a week, is startin to show carbonation.
While there’s lots to be said against this beer (awful pectin haze being just one), it really was a lesson to me about how Belle Saison pairs well with fruit. Although the Brett may have helped, it seems all those flavours I dislike about BS blend nicely with the (quite overstated but hey, why use quince if you want subtlety?) quince flavours.
Going by what little experience I now have with wyeast 3711, I’d say I made a lucky potshot with this beer: the “true” saison character of 3711 would have become lost in the quince here. Likewise, that Citra siason I brewed with 3711 would never have worked with BS, because the latter would have completely outshone the more delicate citrus notes.
So, generalising callously: Belle Saison for (not so subtle) fruit saisons (quince, stone fruit, pineapple, mango, …) and 3711 for “cleaner” saisons.
Yep. I had packaged a 30 bbl batch of saison a couple years ago with this yeast. Taste was great, much like dave describes. But I fined it and ran it off to kegs and shipped it after it was down to 1.009. Even in cold warehouse conditions it continued to ferment in the kegs. It became so carbonated that we could not sell it and had to recall of it back to our tasting room. It was definitely delicious and to my tastes (and many others) it was exactly what you would expect from a Saison.
I brewed another batch (only 15 bbls this time) that I am planning on serving only in tatsing room and I let it sit in the fermentor for 4 weeks and it got down to 1.004. Planning on racking it to BBT today or tomorrow.
If you want an easy to use Saison yeast that really dries out your beer and gives you a very authentic tasting saison I highly recommend this strain. I start it in the mid 60s and never let it get much warmer than high 70s.