Have y’all seen this?
No, but I have now! Thanks, Bama.
I haven’t even tried Baja yet!
Thanks for that.
Very interesting to see their Dry/Liquid comparison chart.
Seems like if you want a neutral strain, either are fine but dry is a bit more convenient. However, if you want a yeast that is going to contribute something interesting to the finished beer, liquid is the way to go.
This is great news! I’ve always favored White Labs liquid yeast. However, my LHBS stopped carrying it. Now, all they carry is Omega. I considered buying WL via mail order. But that’s kind of scary as I’ve been afraid it would get too warm in transit. I hope to see WL roll out more strains!
Thanks!
i talked to a brewers at a local brewery in Florida the other ay and he told me that he could get WLP-001 in dry form now. he said that it was not cheap, $250 for a brick of it. As far as he knew it was not yet available to homebrewers as of yet. I am sure that will happen soon.
White Labs did a really good job of putting that together. Kudos.
It’s great to see, but I wonder if it will be as different from 001 as US05 is from 1056.
It looks like they’ve already given themselves a pass: “Generally more neutral in flavor and aroma. The drying process contributes some stress on yeast, so flavor production in fermentation is muted. Liquid counterparts will have more distinct aromas and complex flavors due to the health and viability.”
Good on them
[quote]Due to the drying process, cell membranes can often be deficient in membrane proteins responsible for flocculation. This can lead to less effective flocculation capabilities.
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Interesting — I’d heard arguments for liquid based on variety and flavor, but I don’t recall seeing this noted elsewhere.
In my opinion, for lager strains - liquid still provides way more benefit.
Look at this for example: https://www.lallemandbrewing.com/en/canada/resources/brewers-corner/brewing-calculators/pitching-rate-calculator/
So, for white labs dry WLP860 - you still need minimum 2 packets. they’re $19.99/each here. White Labs Munich Helles Dry Lager Yeast | WLPD860
So, for a standard gravity lager, i need to spend $40 and still be slightly underpitching? Lol, its funny how far we’ve come in homebrewing and still how unprofessional and disorganized it can seem.
Methinks you assign far too much credibility to yeast calculators, which always err on the side of spending way too effing much on yeast packs, especially when they come from the manufacturer. There are ways around this that are much less expensive and far more reasonable. Rule number one for me: IF feeling the need to use any yeast calculator (I rarely do anymore), then divide the result you get from it by 2 for a more reasonable and less expensive pitch rate that will work just as well, I promise.
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I haven’t used a yeast calculator in at least 15 years.
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I find it useful for calculating how much yeast to use per strain per gravity and volume.
I used to try pushing a single packet of dry yeast on beers with 1.060 to 1.070 gravities and had bad results. That’s a no brainer.
By comparison, for the same gravity and size and middle of suggested temp range I get just over 1 packet for BRY-97 and for NovaLager it suggests 1.3 packets.
I’m not sure what theyre basing their numbers on, but im just saying everything seems to indicate you would need at least 2 packs of Dry WLP860. So why not just buy one liquid lager and make a starter? Not even mentioning the fact that I find it hard to re-use dry yeast after the first one, it feels like its half-alive, yet you could reuse the liquid one no problem
I recently tried the dry 001. Love it, will buy again.
Yes, it’s more expensive but i just used the slurry for another beer. I could keep using it if i was worried about the cost. But i’m not that worried. When a 4 pack of craft beer cost roughly the same as a whole batch, which i regularly buy happily, the cost of yeast is not really a big deal for me
I use both liquid and dry and think both are excellent.
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“When a 4 pack of craft beer cost roughly the same as a whole batch, which i regularly buy happily, the cost of yeast is not really a big deal for me”
I have to admit - that’s a good yardstick to base off of, that I often forget about.
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