I’ve avoided brewing a hefeweizen because almost all the domestics I’ve tasted seem to be banana bombs. My friends are big German hefe fans and I’m thinking of brewing one tomorrow. My LHBS only carries Wyeast and from what I’ve read 3068 is probably the best choice for a balanced hefe.
Any tips on avoiding a banana bomb if I use this yeast?
What I’ve dug up online so far is:
Pitch a nice sized starter to accentuate the clove over banana
Ferment cooler (right now the best I can easily maintain during fermentation is about 66o (beer temp)
Possibly do a 20 minute rest at 111o then finish the mash at 152o. I’m not sure how to enter a multi-infusion mash into Bru’n water though and would rather stick with a single infusion unless it makes a big difference.
Also, should I just use German pils and German wheat (with maybe a touch of Caraffa II in the sparge for color) or should I use a bit of aromatic for body and color?
I’m looking for a nice balanced hefe with a giant creamy head and a cloudy appearance.
Ferment it cooler, 62-64. Banana is awesome in hefe! But a nice balance of banana and clove is definitely nice. Hacker-Pschorr hefeweiss is a nice one. My usual benchmark is Weihenstephaner, but that one leans more towards banana than clove.
Pretty sure mash profile has nothing to do with the ester profile you’ll get from the yeast.
Depends how you like your hefes. You like them tart and crisp or round and soft? I prefer them to be round and soft, so I typically use a fair amount of chloride in my water and hardly any sulfate. Maybe 60-75ppm chloride.
Also, I remember fermenting hefe (in the old days) in a plastic tote of water, swapping out frozen water bottles a couple times a day. I was able to hold 64-65F even in summertime. If you could even hold 65F doing this, I think you’ll be pleased.
I haven’t found a true German hefeweizen that has too much banana for me. But most of the hefeweizens I’ve had in brewpubs or from American microbreweries have had too much banana for my taste.
As far as German versions: I like Paulaner and Franziskaner and Hacker-Pschorr (and others) but I think my favorite is Julious Echter. I’m not sure if that’s considered soft or crisp?
Yes I’m doing the water batch with frozen bottles thing. I might be able to hold 64 or 65, but my last batch 66 (beer temp) was the best I could do. My basement is at it’s seasonal high point at the moment. I suppose I could add the wet towel and fan to drop it a couple of more degrees.
I could do 6 gallons to split into 5 gallon fermenters, but this keg is for a party and I would like to keep the hefe to 1 keg and serve some other styles. (So far I have an APA, Gose, and then this hefe. Last keg will likely be a saison.)
I’ve been swapping bottles every hour (sometimes using 2 bottles at a time) to keep my gose at 66 this week. (The first 3 days anyway. The fermentation has calmed down and I’m only swapping in bottles a couple of times a day now.)
Interesting. I found several sources that said some combination of under-pitch and under-oxygenate for more banana esters; over-pitch and provide oxygen to suppress banana/accentuate clove.
I think the OP was referring to a ferulic acid rest, usually performed in the vicinity of 110 degrees, which supposedly results in increased clove flavors when the ferulic acid is converted to 4VG.
Yes, that’s what I’ve read in a few places including “Brewing with Wheat.”
I’m not sure how to handle Bru’n water if I try the ferulic acid rest. Do I go for the correct pH in the initial mash, then let it ride the rest of the way?
I’m using distilled water so that might work out ok. I suppose I could always check the pH after my second infusion (going from 110 to 152) and hit it with a bit of lactic acid if I need to bring it back down to 5.3 again.
I doubt that’s even worth it… kind of one of those things, like does decoction really add something or not? Personally, I’ve brewed great hefeweizens, with all the flavors that should be there, with a hochkurz step mash. I’m not even sure that really adds anything either.
I did the rest at 111 the last time I did a hefe (and I used 3068 too). I fermented in the low 60’s. I did get nice clove and very subdued banana which was what I was shooting for. I can’t say for sure that the ferulic acid rest was a major contributor without doing a side by side but it was easy enough so I’ll keep doing it.
I can’t address the weizen issues. To do multiple infusions in Brun water you have to enter two separate mashes. The second mash has all the water and salts added for the first mash.
Thanks! My LHBS was out of pils malt so the brew got delayed which will give me a chance to use the info you’ve provided.
I had no idea about doing the acid rest at 5.7-5.8 and I think that’s about where I’ll be before adjustments. So I’l probably just end up adding my salts after the ferulic rest for the remainder of the mash. I’ll check the numbers in Bru’n water first to make sure.
I think that with my water I would probably not need to do any salt additions for a ferulic acid rest and so all my salt additions would be afterwards too.
There is another wrinkle here. The temperature of ferulic acid rest is within the range for a phytase rest which produces acidity. I’m unclear as to how much acidity is produced during a phytase rest but apparently not a lot for a short rest because the phytase rest might go for several hours per Palmer’s http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter14-2.html.
My treatments to get the salts where I want them will likely leave me needing to add a ml or two of lactic, so in light of your info I will stir the salts in first and take a pH reading before adding all of the calculated acid.