So I’m trying to make a pale ale that has a piney and earthy hop character. Mash tun is out so its a partial mash recipe. I would love feedback. Here’s the recipe.
KeoKea Pale (5 gal.)
Malt:
7 lb. Pilsner LME
1 lb. Munich Malt
0.25 lb. Crystal 40
Hop:
1 oz. Chinook (60)
1 oz. East Kent Goldings (30)
1 oz. Simcoe (10)
1 oz. Simcoe (5)
Yeast:
Wyeast 1333 Northwest Ale
Cool idea. The EKG will be buried under the others though
Do you think the ekg would be more present swapped with the Simcoe?
You want pine, but EKG is not a hop known for that.
https://www.hopunion.com/uk-kent-golding/
If you can find something else from this list, it might help.
https://www.hopunion.com/aroma-wheel/?aroma=Pine
Or just use more Chinook and Simcoe.
I dont know about chinook but I dont get any earthyness from simcoe.
+1 to Jim and hopfenundmalz. Chinook or SImcoe for pine plus Willamette or Fuggles for earthiness will get you there. But Chinook and Simcoe are much stronger than the latter two, so you’d want to use less Chinook or Simcoe than Willamette or Fuggles.
Agree with this. I’d say replace the EKG’s with UK Fuggle in the original recipe with the understanding that you’re shooting for pine with an undertone of earth. Earthy hops just aren’t as “earthy” to the extent that piny hops are “piny”.
Yes, pine in hops is much stronger than earthiness which makes me wonder if you want to add other non hop earthy ingredients such as spices to get you there.
Goldings is a fabulous hop that blends well with bolder varieties.
I would agree with what others have said though in that it will not produce an earthy character…though there are some tasting notes that suggest they do.
Fuggles are a known for their earthiness and another one to consider is bramling cross; though sometimes I do pick up some blackcurrant from these.
The hop schedule is very similar to one I use for an ale I brew 4 or 5 times a year; though I chuck in my heap of goldings at 20 rather than 30 minutes.
It looks like you’re shooting for about 5.5%abv and just under 90ibu if my quick calculations are right. Is that really what you want? I’d rather be in that 7-8% 90ibu or 5.5% 40-60ibu range.
Maybe
.5 Chinook 60
.5 Chinook 10
.5 Fuggles 10
.5 Simcoe 10
.5 Fuggles 5
.5 Simcoe 5
That’s 50 ibu
What about just using say Falconer’s 7’c as your hops. It’s going to have some fruit, but it’s going to hit your pine and earth.
As an old guy, sounds like you should brew Sister Star of the Sun IPA. A great old recipe that I have made several times over the years. It will get you all the earthiness and piney that you want.
Man I must be conservative. 3 oz of chinook for bittering 5 gallons seems crazy to me.
Yeah, I’ve found heavy doses of chinook to be very abrassive
It does take a long secondary (~ 4 weeks) as it is a bit rough initially, but then it is Nirvana in a glass. The SSoS recipe has been brewed by hundreds of homebrewers over the years, so it is a tried and true recipe.
I’ve used 2-3 oz of Chinook or Columbus @ 60 on big IPAs in the past many times. I’ve backed off a tad in recent years, though.
It works,I’m have brewed it many times. It needs time to condition, just like the original IPAs.
If I was to some EKG in there at flame out do you think that would bolster an earthy hop aroma that would add to the pine? Also what are some none hop ingredients that may add to the piney-ness? Pine needles maybe?
EKG just won’t give you the true earthy character that Willamette or Fuggles will. And the straightest, easiest, and safest way to add DRINKABLE pine character to your beer is to use Chinook or Simcoe hops. To account for the strength of the piney hops, use around twice the earthy hops as you would the piney ones. It’ll work nicely.
Is there a certain placing I should add the hops in your opinion. When to add piney and when to add earthy. Ex. 60 min/30 min/etc ?
Being a pale ale, I would add 1/2 oz Chinook @ 60 minutes, a 1/2 oz Chinook and 1 oz Willamette mixture @ 15minutes , 5 minutes and at flameout. Then dry hop the same amount of this mixture for a week at room temp.