Thoughts about fights

Something occurred to me while I walked, carrying two bottles and a cup of sour cream in one hand, a tray of quesadillas in the other.

… those of us who fight with our hands are occasionally disadvantaged.

My natural weapon is the Jo; the first time I saw one I was rather disinterested, but the moment the weapon came into my hands I felt like I’d been training with it all my life.  Still, I prefer my hands mainly, to the point that I’ll get in a knife fight bare handed even if I could easily get my hands on a knife (hell, even a freaking katana) of my own, despite extensive training with knives.  Having a weapon in my hands is a liability, short of a Jo; even then, the Jo is primarily manipulated by hands.

So of course, if my hands are tied and I’m attacked, I’m at somewhat of a disadvantage.

This got me thinking about people who fight with their legs.  I’m no good at kicking; I’m no kick boxer, and such people are fierce.  I often encourage women especially to take up kickboxing, as it is highly aerobic and falls directly in line with any desire they have to “get in shape.”  It is an activity that stands on its own merit without being considered as a martial art, and thus it is an excellent self defense venue.

Something did eventually occur to me, though.  Something interesting.

People say most fights end up on the ground.  In Silat, we’re trained to bring opponents to the ground with us; injure them; and get off the ground quickly.  It’s rather fast, and severe.  The concern in Silat primarily stems from its origins:  Indonesians facing huge armies of invaders.  This art wasn’t made for one-on-one fights.

As a side effect, though, people who study Pentjak Silat are extremely effective at two things:  bringing opponents onto the ground with them and injuring opponents from the ground.

It occurs to me that, when standing, you need one leg on the ground at all times.  Two for stability.  Even then, this is a problem; you can easily be knocked over, and it takes a lot of effort to keep yourself upright.  On the ground, however, you have your entire body to use as leverage and as various weapons; two free legs on the ground are deadly, capable of sweeping, kicking, scissoring, binding.  You do not need your arms for stability; in fact, your arms can be utilized rather freely.  Even if your opponent has a pole-arm, you could defend yourself against it and bring him down using it–or by taking the arm attached, and binding the legs.

It occurs to me that fighters on the ground have a distinct advantage over fighters standing.  Fighting on the ground requires much more skill and is much more dangerous due to the large number of potential threats and the extreme flexibility of movement your opponent has.  People talk about ground fighting as if it is the most inelegant and barbaric position possible, and assert that all fights devolve to ground fighting where strength (and a lucky shot) dominates.

It occurs to me people have no idea what they’re talking about.

Guess that’s what I get for not living in Japan, though.  They just made Judo mandatory elementary school curriculum.

Has it occured to you that most of us have no idea what YOU are talking about?  What the hell is a Jo?!  :smiley:

A shoulder-height staff, typically about 50 inches long.  It is shorter than the 72 inch Bo, making it faster and more versatile:  sword techniques often actually work with a Jo, as do staff techniques.  Unlike a sword, both ends are the business end, depending on what suits your needs at that exact moment in time.

Well at least now we know you’re talking about stick fighting.  Have you read the book of 5 Rings?  Its not necessarily about stick fighting but its about fighting, or rather its truly about making decisions and acting upon those decisions.

1st rule of fighting:  Don’t,  . . . .   walk away, run away, get out of there.

A 9mm is your best bet. Oh, and fully loaded.

Now explain why I should care…

I only want to read that book in Japanese; I don’t want an opinion piece from a translator.

It occurs to me I’m too smart to get into fights.

But if you get me on the ground I’ll take your ear, nose or even a lip. And you won’t get it back.

Ahh, the old Mike Tyson school of fighting

Rule #1

I like that one the best. Live by the sword die by the sword.

Exactly.  It’s what is taught in kung fu.  Find any way out of the fight whether it be: buy the guy a beer, walk/run away, whatever.  Just so you don’t start a fight and hurt someone.  You don’t want to hurt someone because they might get all their friends and gang up on you the next day or you may be slapped with a lawsuit and/or go to jail.  Fighting is bad, mmmmkay.

Rule #1 is don’t, avoid, get away.

But Rule #1 doesn’t always work . . . .

I thought Rule #1 was that you don’t talk about it…

I haven’t been in a fight since middle school. Can’t understand why, because I’m generally a loudmouth a-hole. I think most people would rather posture than actually fight.

And does this happen to you often?

My thoughts on fighting: It’s immature and juvenile. That said, I do enjoy sparring. :wink:

Dude, all the threads you start, and your worries about fighting and wepons…Just where in the HE!! do you hang out, and how big of an a$$hat do you act like when you get there, that you’re so worried? Maybe you should try hanging out in a new neighborhood, or a new group of friends. I’m 34 years old, and have never swung so much as a punch, in my life. I go out every weekend, and have a good time with my friends. I come from Youngstown, Ohio, the murder capital of Ohio. I’m thinking you need to seriously reconsider you attitude.

Weaze is right, a lot of it is attitude.  I tend to run my mouth when I’m drinking, or at least have in the past.  Since I started training kung fu, I’m a lot more calm and easy going.  Fighting really isn’t something I see myself doing or getting myself into.  But sometimes, no matter how calm or easy going you are, there’s some a$$hole that just wants to fight someone and he happens to pick you, even if you’re not offending him in anyway.  That’s when it’s good to know a martial art.  Also when someone attacks a friend or family member of yours; you can deal with the situation accordingly instead of just standing there, scared.
Unfortunately I haven’t been training kung fu lately…been wanting to do other things for the moment.  I’m sure my sifu is pissed at me.

I’ve only gotten close to a fight once.  A guy was walking his dog, leash law, but no leash, he was a quarter mile away.  My kids were threatened by his dog so after trying a couple different things, I raised/cocked my leg, the dog knew what that meant and backed off.  He came screaming over accusing me of kicking his dog.  He was going to lay a roundhouse right (mistake) on me, and properly decided to back off.  End of confrontation.  All I saw was him in pain on the ground at my feet.